LittleShip for sale?

Latestarter1 said:
Sorry,

If Fords were Dovers I would almost agree, however they are old Dorsets which were nothing special in their day, in 2010 junk springs to mind.

The motors that Lancing are selling are Turkish Ford Dovertecs, . For 12K each far better options from Cummins, Deere and Perkins Sabre. I would certainly not suggest a Lancing marinisation.

Neighbours deserve something more sociable than start up smokescreen spoiling their clothes.

Mermaid are the professionals with the old Ford stuff and they have finally walked away from the old Dorset. When will people stop messing with engines long past their best when doing restorations and do the job properly? Old motors are an oily money pit.

In the U.S. where fuel is far less expensive Lehman Fords are being junked on the basis of unsocialbility and poor fuel economy.
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Oi. Are you saying Little Ship is junk. Sounds like you need your ears bashing. If I can get MF's arse in your face, you will know what smoke is, if you ever come round.
Come on Tom, this is war.
 
Tresner said:
Tom

You missed the major flaw in the 36' GB. There are 3 entry doors to the main saloon. If you are on the aft deck or the flybridge, the drinks cabinet will be totally out of your field of vision. I can only imagine what damage might be done to it if one of your mob got in there unattended. From stories I have heard and read, that cost alone could be 2-3 times the cost of restoration.

Bernie
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Thanks a bunch Bernie. :mad:
 
Tresner said:
Tom

You missed the major flaw in the 36' GB. There are 3 entry doors to the main saloon. If you are on the aft deck or the flybridge, the drinks cabinet will be totally out of your field of vision. I can only imagine what damage might be done to it if one of your mob got in there unattended. From stories I have heard and read, that cost alone could be 2-3 times the cost of restoration.

Bernie
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It doesn't matter how many doors he's got, see we've developed this distraction technique, Major walks up the dock scantily clad with a wig on, Tom runs out to gawp, the rest of us raid the cabinet. Simples! :)
 
hlb said:
Oi. Are you saying Little Ship is junk. Sounds like you need your ears bashing. If I can get MF's arse in your face, you will know what smoke is, if you ever come round.
Come on Tom, this is war.
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Geee H I'm sat here all emotional........ thats the nicest thing you ave ever said about Little Ship :) (wipe tears from eyes) Thanks.

We can go and find him and put Mucky in "Stealth" mode.

Philiz
Major walks up the dock scantily clad with a wig on,

So you know about Major and the operation, erm he is quite fetching though? :(

Tom

Tom
 
LittleShip said:
Geee H I'm sat here all emotional........ thats the nicest thing you ave ever said about Little Ship :) (wipe tears from eyes) Thanks.

We can go and find him and put Mucky in "Stealth" mode.

Philiz
Major walks up the dock scantily clad with a wig on,

So you know about Major and the operation, erm he is quite fetching though? :(

Tom

Tom
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Ah well you see, it's ok for us to take the piss, but we get quite possessive when none North Walians join in.

Yes, I've heard the Majors scars are hardly visible now ;)
 
Philiz said:
It doesn't matter how many doors he's got, see we've developed this distraction technique, Major walks up the dock scantily clad with a wig on, Tom runs out to gawp, the rest of us raid the cabinet. Simples! :)
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You gentlemen of North Wales are world class! Although, I have seen how easily Tom get distracted by the ladies on the dock. If the Majors Avatar is any indication of how well the operation went, then my hats off the surgeons.
 
hlb said:
Oi. Are you saying Little Ship is junk. Sounds like you need your ears bashing. If I can get MF's arse in your face, you will know what smoke is, if you ever come round.
Come on Tom, this is war.
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Hey guys let me explain about old iron.

I have been around GB’s particularly woodies as well as other classic boats for a good while.

Seen big bucks spent on restoration of woodwork, but far less attention and money spent on the machinery.

Also seen many a vacation ruined by a so called completely overhauled old Ford or Perkins suffering for marine aging of the marine bits...Nothing lasts forever.

Just to put matters into perspective its day 1960’s though 1970’s the Ford Dover was held in some regard by marinisers, decent crankshaft bearing area meant that it could be juiced up to far greater degree than the poor old 6.354 whose crank had its roots in the even older P6 with dimensions akin to a bent hairpin. Poor guys at Ford R&D in the U.K had engineers from Ford in the U.S beating them up to ensure that they paid attention to value engineering.

As I said before it was a good enough motor in its time. Ford R&D people at Dunton in Essex had little budget to develop the Dorset for the new Ford Cargo truck, lube consumption was always an issue on both 380 and 360 Cu inch blocks. The 360 linered blocks caused everlasting problems with oil migrating up behind the dry liner causing a high spot resulting in piston scuffing. Dover went some way to addressing some of the Dorset problems; however there was no money to redesign the front end to take higher pressure injection pumps to address fuel consumption and future emissions legislation.

Engine warranty costs forced Ford to look again at the Cargo and planned to replace the Dover completely with the Cummins B Series, the Cargo 1718 project was completed with the 0813 and 1015 set to follow, by this time the Cargo cab needed a mid life update, Ford had no appetite to spend yet more money so sold truck business to IVECO.
Now that the engine population has virtually evaporated many the good components are no longer available, for example the Reinz head gasket set. As mentioned in another thread some piston part #’s are now way over £100 each, which is why Mermaid are no longer keen to support the Dorset.

The three GB42 woodies that I have overseen repowered two with Cummins and one with Deere gave the owners lower noise, better fuel consumption and better sociability, elimination of the nasty oil film that coats the engine room and low smoke levels on start up, can that be bad?

I also started off another GB42 repower a 1980’s glass one, little known was a push by British Leyland to promote their marine engines, owning Thornycroft was not good enough for them, in the late 80’s opened marine plant at the Bathgate plant and developed complete marine engine range around the 4 and 6/98 engines. Large number ended up in the US with a good few going into GB. Somebody purchased a GB42 with a pair of 6/98’s, just 300hours on the motors which ran very sweetly. Parts availability nil, yet another money pit, out they came.

I rest my case.....
 
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Latestarter1 said:
Hey guys let me explain about old iron.

I have been around GB’s particularly woodies as well as other classic boats for a good while.

Seen big bucks spent on restoration of woodwork, but far less attention and money spent on the machinery.

Also seen many a vacation ruined by a so called completely overhauled old Ford or Perkins suffering for marine aging of the marine bits...Nothing lasts forever.

Just to put matters into perspective its day 1960’s though 1970’s the Ford Dover was held in some regard by marinisers, decent crankshaft bearing area meant that it could be juiced up to far greater degree than the poor old 6.354 whose crank had its roots in the even older P6 with dimensions akin to a bent hairpin. Poor guys at Ford R&D in the U.K had engineers from Ford in the U.S beating them up to ensure that they paid attention to value engineering.

As I said before it was a good enough motor in its time. Ford R&D people at Dunton in Essex had little budget to develop the Dorset for the new Ford Cargo truck, lube consumption was always an issue on both 380 and 360 Cu inch blocks. The 360 linered blocks caused everlasting problems with oil migrating up behind the dry liner causing a high spot resulting in piston scuffing. Dover went some way to addressing some of the Dorset problems; however there was no money to redesign the front end to take higher pressure injection pumps to address fuel consumption and future emissions legislation.

Engine warranty costs forced Ford to look again at the Cargo and planned to replace the Dover completely with the Cummins B Series, the Cargo 1718 project was completed with the 0813 and 1015 set to follow, by this time the Cargo cab needed a mid life update, Ford had no appetite to spend yet more money so sold truck business to IVECO.
Now that the engine population has virtually evaporated many the good components are no longer available, for example the Reinz head gasket set. As mentioned in another thread some piston part #’s are now way over £100 each, which is why Mermaid are no longer keen to support the Dorset.

The three GB42 woodies that I have overseen repowered two with Cummins and one with Deere gave the owners lower noise, better fuel consumption and better sociability, elimination of the nasty oil film that coats the engine room and low smoke levels on start up, can that be bad?

I also started off another GB42 repower a 1980’s glass one, little known was a push by British Leyland to promote their marine engines, owning Thornycroft was not good enough for them, in the late 80’s opened marine plant at the Bathgate plant and developed complete marine engine range around the 4 and 6/98 engines. Large number ended up in the US with a good few going into GB. Somebody purchased a GB42 with a pair of 6/98’s, just 300hours on the motors which ran very sweetly. Parts availability nil, yet another money pit, out they came.

I rest my case.....
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You are obviously knowledgeable about engines albeit opinionated.

These engines came in many disguises and were used and produced as late as the 80s. They became one of the best marine engines and generators for many years and had power increased by turbo charging, not something that they were well suited to.

The 2700 engines will never be comparable with the latest engines re emissions and power,but they are very well suited to slow running motor/fishing boats and that is what they were predominantly used for.

The early GBs had the small 80hp 4cylinder engines fitted and then the 6cyl 2715 120hp later vessels had the 135hp engine installed and they were, for reliability, always normally aspirated. My engine is a 2723e and is not original to my boat.

These engines went through many changes during their lifespan but were never a high power unit, something that was needed in a road going vehicle (which was the problem Fords had re warranty). That said they were very reliable and economical to run at constant revs, as stated 2 gallons/hr at cruise and that is why they were well suited to the marine and generator roll. I wouldn't think that the Cummins/Perkins would be so reliable or frugal on fuel under the same circumstances.

As a side point I wouldn't fit a new all singing all dancing electronic engine in a 60s E Type Jag nor would I want a new style electronic engine in my GB.

The fact that they smoke when cold and can leave a sheen on the water is a down side to these engines but one that I will just have to put up with, but the information you gave about parts is not correct, my workshop has been able to obtain all the parts that were needed for my rebuild.

The only point that you made I would agree with is the Lehman conversion, there were better conversions IMHO but then thats my opinion which I am entitled to, just like you are.

You dont have a case to answer as this is all opinion

Tom

PS "elimination of the nasty oil film that coats the engine room" How dare you suggest such a thing Harrumph!
 
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hlb said:
You tell im Tom. We'll hold him while you bash him.

I bet his engine is just a lastic band anyway.
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No just a common or garden Fairey powerboat with real BIG (modern of course) elastic band.

Just a note for Little Ship Reinz head gaskets are no longer available from Federal Mogul, lol..
 
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