Lithium Batteries

[saxonpirate]

No you should have done five minutes of research I was also talking about Lithium Ion

You are wrong.. maybe its you that needs to do some research eh! There's an enormous amount of information out there..

Even the precious Net ZERO - BBC has something to say about it, and in my post while talking about Lithium ion recycling I said.. "which are proving so much harder/costly to recycle" which you'll find to be true, and is certainly not a huge industry that's been going for years. It costs less to mine it than recycle it, so what do you suppose has been the preferred option?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batteries-big-unanswered-question

This is utter nonsense. Lithium batteries have always been reusable and recyclable and there is a huge industry doing exactly this. There is no huge industry doing this, period.. its still very much in its infancy.. a market to exploit in the future for sure, but only if battery growth is maintained.. which personally I hope its not.. Inside the drive to close the UK's EV battery recycling loop

 

[lustyd]

It costs less to mine it than recycle it

This is irrelevant since right now demand is so high both are happening and are profitable and every ounce is accounted for. The vast majority is reused rather than recycled since the cells are generally standard and often only one in a battery fails, the rest are removed and reused or sold.
Carry on ranting, I encourage anyone finding this thread to do their own search, just be sure to filter out those pages with an axe to grind (largely funded by oil companies with a vested interest)

 

[saxonpirate]

This is irrelevant since right now demand is so high both are happening and are profitable and every ounce is accounted for. The vast majority is reused rather than recycled since the cells are generally standard and often only one in a battery fails, the rest are removed and reused or sold.
Carry on ranting, I encourage anyone finding this thread to do their own search, just be sure to filter out those pages with an axe to grind (largely funded by oil companies with a vested interest)

Ranting??? thanks.. just maybe you ought to try not being so dammed rude in your posts eh.

I'm ignoring what you say now anyway, its quite obvious you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. As for profitability.. don't make me laugh.. massive government (taxpayer) subsidies more like, and that includes the Chinese. You'll be telling me next that windmills are producing cheap electricity.. haha..

 

[Kelpie]

Oh, and by the way I'm not a tree hugging, Greta loving.. virtue signalling greeny. Just a practical bloke who sees through the bull$1t rammed down our throats everyday..

You will find that the 'tree huggers' are pretty much onboard with the PV/wind/EV/lithium revolution. And are often pretty well informed about it too.

My lithium battery charges so efficiently that I never have to engine charge it. And should last 5x as long as lead acid. Have you factored in these advantages in your analysis?

 

[dankilb]

Wow - this is going to be a useful thread for future reading now! Typical!

 

[Trident]

To the OP - if possible get 2X100Ah in parallel and choose the Renogy SMART Lithium not their BT version (I sell these and have fitted dozens so I know of what I speak) - the BT chip is really buggy and annoying

Two 100s will cost a bit more - though not much - but as Geem says, you have redundancy and double the BMS

I have also fitted lots of Renogy DCDC and not had any issues but perhaps they are not used much as I normally put in lots of solar for customers at the same time.

I've had 700 ah of Renogy on my full time live aboard boat for 3.5 years now with full time heavy use including cooking etc and they have lost 0.2% of capacity in that time .. I would wire them with equal length leads to a busbar though rather than together in a chain as this will ensure a better chance of all cells across both batteries balancing

 

[ctva]

Thanks Trident and all for the great info (keep it coming) as it is helping a lead acid user to come to terms with this new dangled technology.

Now the wife has read this and asked about the new sodium batteries…..

 

[Minerva]

Thanks Trident and all for the great info (keep it coming) as it is helping a lead acid user to come to terms with this new dangled technology.

Now the wife has read this and asked about the new sodium batteries…..

I don’t think sodium are commercially available yet, but there is a lot of patents been filed in the last 36 months. There is promising sounds coming out, but the proof will be in the testing…

(Vanadium are another battery type in development and are available but i don’t think in small enough ah capacities for your average boat...)

 

[Kelpie]

I think Sodium Ion is in production for some EVs now, but it will take a while for it to trickle down to small scale users.
Given we can extract an essentially endless supply of sodium from the sea, it will give the luddites one less thing to moan about.

 

[Trident]

Sodium should be a game changer - no more kids digging up lithium in terrible locations and the existing manufacturing plants for LifePo can swap straight over. Probably 2-3 years off commercially just based on existing contracts for lithium supply etc to the factories

 

[ctva]

Ok, I’ll tell the wife we‘ll stick with lithium for the moment but she’ll get a sodium battery for her birthday in a few years.

 

[Pete7]

Ok, I’ll tell the wife we‘ll stick with lithium for the moment but she’ll get a sodium battery for her birthday in a few years.

Just tell her she can use an electric kettle and her hair dryer

 

[Slipstream 34]

.... and the vacuum cleaner.!

 

[lustyd]

Sodium should be a game changer - no more kids digging up lithium in terrible locations and the existing manufacturing plants for LifePo can swap straight over. Probably 2-3 years off commercially just based on existing contracts for lithium supply etc to the factories

Yeah I bet they’re digging with teaspoons and getting whipped too! Such obvious propaganda why do people fall for this crap? Modern mining techniques just don’t need kids, and the sheer quantity of Lithium being consumed globally right now should give you a hint about the viability of child labour.

 

[Trident]

Shall we go with the environmental disaster awaiting the Peruvian salt flats instead then

Clearly sodium is a much better bet

 

[Minerva]

Ok, I’ll tell the wife we‘ll stick with lithium for the moment but she’ll get a sodium battery for her birthday in a few years.

Spoil her like that and the rest of us are done for when our wife's find out!

 

[ctva]

It would be a step up from the toaster I got her one year.

 

[Pete7]

.... and the vacuum cleaner.!

Have you tried this?

Which hospital did you need?

Did the pain last long?

 

[Kelpie]

Sodium should be a game changer - no more kids digging up lithium in terrible locations and the existing manufacturing plants for LifePo can swap straight over. Probably 2-3 years off commercially just based on existing contracts for lithium supply etc to the factories

The biggest producer of lithium is Australia. I didn't know they had a child labour problem.