lifejackets this will make you shudder

Mea Culpa! I'm stuupid! Pushed my wife up the pontoon access ladder in a trolley without a LJ at RNSYC at Lowestoft after she had sprained her ankle by slipping on the spinnaker in the cockpit whilst bagging it up. Will make sure she wears a LJ next time, but know that will be the last time she will be prepared to go yachting because of the humiliation of being treated as a child.
Had aLiz 30-superb yacht.
 
The old tin bath,

Down the last 3 or 4 miles of the River Hodder, then on down the Ribble, no LJ, no passage plan but one of the great voyages of my life.

Years of happy and mixed boating without an LJ, but now I always wear one.

Its up to you, wear one if you want, don't wear one if you don't want to.
 
The trolley comment was made because the incident I saw happened shortly after a child was drowned (not at our marina) having been trapped under the trolley underwater when it went in. There was a lot of talk about adding safety rails to pontoons at the time to stop trollies falling over the edge. I did mean allowing kids to push other kids in trollies though, an injured SWMBO is different! Doesn't your marina have a wheelchair ready for such emergencies, ours does I know.

Loved the Liz and it is still going strong too, I'm looking at a picture of it on the office wall now and I was given a half model by the next owner that still has pride of place in the lounge.
 
I learnt to sail in the school Cadet with a book in one hand and the tiller etc in the other. My life jacket was a war surplus Mae West which was a trifle large for me in all dimensions. I was then bought an Enterprise. Ever since then I have been busy tearing up money in cold showers etc!
 
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Yes people do get hurt or killed, participating in "high risk" sports and pastimes, but that's life!

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Oh, no, it's not! It's deff.... So enter 'em in for a Darwin Award!

Awl you dozy, feeble, throwback old scrotes think you no it awl, wiff your 'When i were a boy, we lived in a shoebox - all twelve o' us - on't central reservation of't motorway...'

Always bleatin' on about being able to join up at 14 to go to war, and playin' table tennis wit' real bats made o' real wood, an' lightin' fires in't woods, an' swimmin' in streams wi'out three lifeguards in highchairs and Risk Assessments by t'ream, and crossin' t'road on us own, and being allowed to tie us own shoelaces.....

Wot woz it like?



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Well put Smiffy! Health and Safety nutters are beginning to contaminate every aspect of ordinary life. People have to be allowed to decide where their own level of acceptable risk lies and be prepared to take the consequences.

The emotive issue is the safety of children, but let's accept that we can not wrap them up in cotton wool. My kids had fairly adventurous childoods and probably have a head start in thinking for themselves on these matters.

We seem to be heading for a situation where, unless some activity is not actually prohibited, it is assumed to be safe by those brought up in this culture.

The H and S industry has its share of new recruits and ambitious managers, all eager to find some new real or imagined danger to write reports on, ban, hedge about with ridiculous restrictions and so on.
 
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That's easily done with you innit?! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Then you know exactly what to do don't you..............



















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I don't always wear a life jacket when in the tender. I have a young child and have been ashore with her. I would never dream of having a backpack on or leave the child strapped in the pram. These things would take the child or myself straight to the bottom should anything occur. At least with no encomberance we have a chance. My 3 year old daughter understands that she must sit on the floor of the dinghy and must not move She also understand the principle on the boat of "one hand for the boat and one hand for yourself" is it better to teach these principles rather than ignoring the children because they have a life jacket on.

I used to windsurf many years ago to an advanced level and there was a constant dilema driven by the PC boys whether to wear a life jacket or not. We found that the lifejacket actually more problems.
1 it was extremly heavy once full of water once fallen in therefore guys found it almost imposible to get out of the water.
2 Often, once in the water you would be forced up against the sail or board therefore restricting exit or cracked on the head by the board.
Ahh you say! but what if we were knocked out...well we solved that by wearing helments with face guards.

I am not stupid so Let me decide.......
 
Why are you surprised?
There isn't any law or regulation that says they should be wearing LJs.
It's just a nanny PC thing that has drifted over from the training and safety bodies (RYA, RNLI, etc) to haunt the average sailor.

Come to Windermere as a totally non-boaty person and hire a rowing boat.

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Now, I've not read the full thread, cos a lot of what goes on here is bollix, but my bollix is just as valid as anyone elses bollix.

I hate the nanny state, having been confronted with "safety Nazi's" during a spell in a wheelchair, apparently (amongst other things) I shouldn't be making it do 47mph downhill or going off-road.....

What made me post the pic was that the kid strapped to the chair hasn't been asked if he/she wants to be there.
See a similar thing almost every day, makes me blood boil when I see kids jumping about loose in cars. We make our own decisions, we take our own chances (I've taken some that would get me shot down in flames here!), but we're supposed to take care of our kids.

There are a thousand and one "what ifs" that could apply to the pic I posted, but the fact is that if the kid ended up in the water strapped to the chair chances are a funeral would be on the cards.

Couldn't give a [--word removed--] whether the adults wear lifejackets or a suit of armour.....
 
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I am as opposed as anyone else here to "Nanny State" interference in our lives. The problem here is that if the people in that boat had been drowned it would provide the sort of excuse the nannies need to impose more regulation on us. It does not take much imagination to realise that even in flat calm conditions it would only need some thoughtless numptie in a speedboat to capsize that dinghy with his wash. Strapped into a wheelchair the toddler would stand no chance, and the nannies would have their opportunity.
 
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Have one on me you old git.

BOLLIX

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It is for us all to be responsible and make our own decisions in these matters, some may feel as you do, some may not. It is not however beholden on anybody to make decisions for anyone else.

None of us have a clue about what the circumstances were, whether the photo was set up for the camera, in which case there was no danger at all, because there were other people in attendance, or whether it was a chance shot?

We don't know how far they were going in the boat and it would take a lot more than the wash from a passing speed boat to give them a problem in a dinghy that size. After all, a speed boat at speed produces hardly any wash at all.

The minute some of you see a pic like that, up go the hands in horror, with all the Oh my Gods how could theys, etc. ad bleedin' nauseum, all without really understanding the situation.

I wonder if Lakey's Pic will bring you all out of the woodwork in the same way?

This thread is done to death as far as I am concerned, so I will leave you all with it.

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