tom52
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VSSM,PBI ?
Should we be impressed ? Or not ?
Should we be impressed ? Or not ?
Lifejackets important or not?
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jeremyshaw
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Those in favour of life jackets at all times will be glad to know that the US Virgin Islands have passed a law which states that "A vessel operator shall require everyone on his vessel to wear a PFD whenever on the water."
So all those cruise ship passengers entering St. Thomas must now be sleeping in them! That will be good for business... And those poor mechanics sweating down in the engine room...
So all those cruise ship passengers entering St. Thomas must now be sleeping in them! That will be good for business... And those poor mechanics sweating down in the engine room...
thailand69
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Do they make special lifejackets for Supersize people?
Ramage
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Being somewhat "Supersize" myself I had to shop around.
I found the cheaper brands were too small in the webbing, but found Crewsaver fitted ok.
Sadly Musto, Henri Lloyd & Gill dont make foul weather jackets big enough for me!
I am going to have a look next time I am in the USA... they must have "Supersize!"
I found the cheaper brands were too small in the webbing, but found Crewsaver fitted ok.
Sadly Musto, Henri Lloyd & Gill dont make foul weather jackets big enough for me!
I am going to have a look next time I am in the USA... they must have "Supersize!"
Woodlouse
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Brilliant. Won't be going there then. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
VicMallows
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this - and it has been done to death before.
In my opinion LJs are not usually that important. If there is any danger of falling in then you should be clipped on. If there's no danger of falling in why wear a lifejacket?
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Agree totally. If I fall in I'd be on my own anyway, and would rather be able to swim unimpeded.. Likewise on the short dinghy ride from shore to boat. When replacing an old CO2 cylinder recently I tried inflating the lifejacket whilst wearing it......very strange experience.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this - and it has been done to death before.
In my opinion LJs are not usually that important. If there is any danger of falling in then you should be clipped on. If there's no danger of falling in why wear a lifejacket?
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Agree totally. If I fall in I'd be on my own anyway, and would rather be able to swim unimpeded.. Likewise on the short dinghy ride from shore to boat. When replacing an old CO2 cylinder recently I tried inflating the lifejacket whilst wearing it......very strange experience.
BrendanS
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user centric input so far.
I'd take a different attitude if sailing to powerboating.
I'd take a different attitude if on a big mobo, to a small fast mobo
etc
I'd take a different attitude if sailing to powerboating.
I'd take a different attitude if on a big mobo, to a small fast mobo
etc
VicMallows
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So?
Surely a forum is a place to express views upon which others may or may not choose to act or respond. Of course everyones circumstances are individual.
If we all keep quiet about matters on which there are clearly varying views the forums (fora) will become very boring,
Vic
Surely a forum is a place to express views upon which others may or may not choose to act or respond. Of course everyones circumstances are individual.
If we all keep quiet about matters on which there are clearly varying views the forums (fora) will become very boring,
Vic
BrendanS
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why do you think my post is anti expressing views? Is that not indictative of your views?
I posted that input so far was user centric, and posted some examples, and didn't knock the thread at all.
Have you asked me which category I come into, and whether I wear a life jacket at all times, or not at all?
I posted that input so far was user centric, and posted some examples, and didn't knock the thread at all.
Have you asked me which category I come into, and whether I wear a life jacket at all times, or not at all?
seacomm
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Hi Jon
I think the most important thing for children is to make sure they are proficient swimmers so that they are not afraid of they water should they fall in.
Both of mine swim like fishes and often swam of the boat Now of course the problem is that they are older and at times I would like to drown them !!!
As far as lifejackets are concerned I use my judgement as to when I should wear it and I will defend my right to do so.
Health & Safety is a massive industry which is mostly about making money and I suspect in the great scheme of things will be proved to have been of very little benefit to us.
The last thing I want to see in sailing pictures is everyone trussed up in safety gear when it is not required.
Aaaaagh Nooo /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif throw a bucket of cold water over me before I get too excited, this has all been said before and we will all never agree
Mutttering heads back to cold garage to finish rebuilding remotes for Rib.
Regards J
I think the most important thing for children is to make sure they are proficient swimmers so that they are not afraid of they water should they fall in.
Both of mine swim like fishes and often swam of the boat Now of course the problem is that they are older and at times I would like to drown them !!!
As far as lifejackets are concerned I use my judgement as to when I should wear it and I will defend my right to do so.
Health & Safety is a massive industry which is mostly about making money and I suspect in the great scheme of things will be proved to have been of very little benefit to us.
The last thing I want to see in sailing pictures is everyone trussed up in safety gear when it is not required.
Aaaaagh Nooo /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif throw a bucket of cold water over me before I get too excited, this has all been said before and we will all never agree
Mutttering heads back to cold garage to finish rebuilding remotes for Rib.
Regards J
stevebrassett
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I also think that wearing a lifejacket is far more important in the tender than on board the boat. Mind you, I do most of my sailing in an estuary, rather than on the open sea.
Mirelle
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Lifejackets worn in the tender
Absolutely right. It must be thirty years since I read an article in "Yachting Monthly" pointing out that more yachtsmen are drowned from the dinghy than from the parent yacht.
I live on the banks of, and sail from, the river Deben, which is well known for having a dangerous bar at the mouth. I cannot recall a fatality involving a boat crossing the bar, but every single year, without fail, someone is drowned from a tender in the river, which is a quiet, well sheltered, stretch of water.
Indeed, many of us local yachtsmen will be attending the memorial service for Colin Parrish this lunchtime. Colin had sailed all his life; drowned just before Christmas.
Absolutely right. It must be thirty years since I read an article in "Yachting Monthly" pointing out that more yachtsmen are drowned from the dinghy than from the parent yacht.
I live on the banks of, and sail from, the river Deben, which is well known for having a dangerous bar at the mouth. I cannot recall a fatality involving a boat crossing the bar, but every single year, without fail, someone is drowned from a tender in the river, which is a quiet, well sheltered, stretch of water.
Indeed, many of us local yachtsmen will be attending the memorial service for Colin Parrish this lunchtime. Colin had sailed all his life; drowned just before Christmas.
ditchcrawler
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Re: Lifejackets worn in the tender
On my boat we wear lifejackets all the time(with built in harnesses).When I responded to this in an earlier post there were several abusive replies ranging from overcautious to idiot.I professed no opinion about others.Each to his own I say.
On my boat we wear lifejackets all the time(with built in harnesses).When I responded to this in an earlier post there were several abusive replies ranging from overcautious to idiot.I professed no opinion about others.Each to his own I say.
stevebrassett
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Re: Lifejackets worn in the tender
Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
2. When the skipper says so
3. When you want to
It's your life (and mine's mine) and it's up to us how much risk we want to take.
Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
2. When the skipper says so
3. When you want to
It's your life (and mine's mine) and it's up to us how much risk we want to take.
alldownwind
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Re: Lifejackets worn in the tender
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Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
2. When the skipper says so
3. When you want to
It's your life (and mine's mine) and it's up to us how much risk we want to take.
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And that is exactly what I tell any guests on our boat.
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Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
2. When the skipper says so
3. When you want to
It's your life (and mine's mine) and it's up to us how much risk we want to take.
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And that is exactly what I tell any guests on our boat.
bedouin
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Re: Lifejackets worn in the tender
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Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
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I don't want to contradict that - but I do want to challenge people to think about it a bit.
I would say that if you go overboard at night you're dead unless you are carrying a PLB/EPIRB, whether or not you are wearing a lifejacket. IMHO wearing an LJ without being clipped on can actually be dangerous because it can lull you into a false sense of security. And if you are clipped on then a LJ does not really add to your security.
Rule number 1 on my boat - Don't fall in. What I always say to novice crew is that if they fall in they will be lucky to be pulled out alive.
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Absolutely right. I read somewhere about a yacht that had three times when you should wear a lifejacket.
1. When it's dark
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I don't want to contradict that - but I do want to challenge people to think about it a bit.
I would say that if you go overboard at night you're dead unless you are carrying a PLB/EPIRB, whether or not you are wearing a lifejacket. IMHO wearing an LJ without being clipped on can actually be dangerous because it can lull you into a false sense of security. And if you are clipped on then a LJ does not really add to your security.
Rule number 1 on my boat - Don't fall in. What I always say to novice crew is that if they fall in they will be lucky to be pulled out alive.
TheBoatman
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Didn't the Irish introduce a law about PFD's - can't remember if it's only in dinghies/tenders or all the time afloat - somethings niggling at me saying it's all the time!!!
Peter.
Peter.
Superstrath
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Re: Lifejackets worn in the tender
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What I always say to novice crew is that if they fall in they will be lucky to be pulled out alive.
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I like to tell them that the purpose of the LJ is to help me recover their lifeless body.
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What I always say to novice crew is that if they fall in they will be lucky to be pulled out alive.
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I like to tell them that the purpose of the LJ is to help me recover their lifeless body.
Sea Devil
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Maybe I am a tad ananl on this subjet but my 9 year old daughter does not even go onto a pontoon without her jacket.
This has been the case since she started joining me on the water.
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Not wanting to be rude but maybe a course of swimming lessons would be more valuable..
There are hardly any reported incidents of people falling off yachts, motor yachts and drowning.. Just does not happen except in bad weather when they should be wearing a safety harness and be attached to the boat...
Wind surfers, sail boards and racing dinghies are another matter as the 'drivers' regularly end up in the water so do need them.
I think the ability to swim will take care of anybody in calm conditions. In rough conditions they should be attached to the yacht... If the thing is sinking and you are launching the liferaft then you should don a lifejacket... but probably not before unless you can't swim or are afraid ... in which case wear one..
Maybe I am a tad ananl on this subjet but my 9 year old daughter does not even go onto a pontoon without her jacket.
This has been the case since she started joining me on the water.
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Not wanting to be rude but maybe a course of swimming lessons would be more valuable..
There are hardly any reported incidents of people falling off yachts, motor yachts and drowning.. Just does not happen except in bad weather when they should be wearing a safety harness and be attached to the boat...
Wind surfers, sail boards and racing dinghies are another matter as the 'drivers' regularly end up in the water so do need them.
I think the ability to swim will take care of anybody in calm conditions. In rough conditions they should be attached to the yacht... If the thing is sinking and you are launching the liferaft then you should don a lifejacket... but probably not before unless you can't swim or are afraid ... in which case wear one..
bedouin
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I think the ability to swim will take care of anybody in calm conditions.
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Without being too critical I would recommend that you do a sea survival course - it may cause you to rethink that statement.
If you try to swim back to a boat within a few seconds of falling into cold water you stand a good chance of dying, however strong a swimmer you are.
Safety instructions to novices on my boat say if you fall in you curl up and stay absolutely still (at least for the first minute) let the LJ do it's job of keeping you afloat.
I think the ability to swim will take care of anybody in calm conditions.
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Without being too critical I would recommend that you do a sea survival course - it may cause you to rethink that statement.
If you try to swim back to a boat within a few seconds of falling into cold water you stand a good chance of dying, however strong a swimmer you are.
Safety instructions to novices on my boat say if you fall in you curl up and stay absolutely still (at least for the first minute) let the LJ do it's job of keeping you afloat.