Life jacket cylinders on Aircraft

[Pete R]

Not my experience. Phone call and a reference to the (obscure) section on their website

Can you post a link to the web page?

 

[Pete R]

Thanks to Mash and Alyssa.

Seems some of the easy jet staff are not up to date.

Hopefully the web site will get updated although I wont hold my breath.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

Just to confuse things a little further the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) issue this :

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org.../passenger_info/media/Is It Safe brochure.pdf


Note the second page

below IT'S THE LAW . . .

Do not Pack in Luggage or Carry On-board

PRESSURE CONTAINERS

C02 cartridges



Then under the PLAN AHEAD refers to exceptions (does not list) eg sporting equipment. Is a Life Jacket a bit of sporting equipment?


So what is the actual situation?

 

[Pete R]

The airlines all say keep it in hand luggage,

Sorry but they don't.

Bottom of page 4.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1219/srg_dgo_WhatCanICarry20100416.pdf

 

[Pete R]

Just to confuse things a little further the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) issue this :

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org.../passenger_info/media/Is It Safe brochure.pdf


Note the second page

below IT'S THE LAW . . .

Do not Pack in Luggage or Carry On-board

PRESSURE CONTAINERS

C02 cartridges



Then under the PLAN AHEAD refers to exceptions (does not list) eg sporting equipment. Is a Life Jacket a bit of sporting equipment?


So what is the actual situation?

Your message does not give the full picture.

If you follow links from the FAA website it says, almost, the same as the CAA

Small compressed gas cartridges
(Up to 2 in life vests and 2 spares. The spares must accompany the life vests and presented as one unit) Carry on Yes checked Yes http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

 

[Rum_Pirate]

Thanks for following that up for me.

 

[MASH]

Peter R posted the CAA master document which is a template od minimum standards that UK airlines must adopt. Howeverthe airline may adopt more restrictive rules if it wishes so you can't be certain that if the CAA master doc says OK the airline hasn't decided to apply a tighter standard. Whatever standard is adopted it must be approved by the CAA, but it is the airline and not the CAA that will tell you what rules actually apply. Sadly not all call centre staff are au fait with every tiny detail of all the regs, hence the confusion (plus in EJ's case a very badly worded website)

In reality I doubt any UK or Eu airline, or global one for that matter would ban carriage of LJ cylinders, the template is an international one that applies to all IATA carriers and few will bother to amend such trivial items as this, but do check.

If you want to carry a diving or life raft cylinder that may be a different matter.

 

[Tintin]

Air south west from Plymouth to Jersey were OK last summer but insisted it was seperate to the lifejacket and in hold baggage.

Interestingly the booking staff origianlly said no, but a call to the airport and a conversation with the handling staff got an OK.

They were more excited by a knife in my HOLD luggage because the hold on the plane they used was accesible from the cabin, but eventually relented.

 

[dt4134]

Sorry but they don't.

Bottom of page 4.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1219/srg_dgo_WhatCanICarry20100416.pdf

Every airline I've spoken to has said that (where they've allowed me to carry them), but glad to see you'd get away with it if packing the LJ in the hold.

 

[Malish]

The key is to get approval in writing from the airline(s) on headed notepaper, getting them out of the UK is fairly easy but coming back is not so easy (bitter experience in Athens a few years ago).

 

[nickf]

Have you got a link to their web site or an email that can confirm that so others can print it off.

Thanks

The link is

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/can-i-bring-a-self-inflating-lifejacket

The problem is usually with the security staff but I have found if you have a print out of the CAA document mentioned in other posts they are happy.

 

[Steve Clayton]

BA are OK; just notify them that you've got them

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bagrest/public/en_gb?gsLink=searchResults

 

[bryantee]

security

years ago had the cylinders confiscated in dxb. no problem with the life jacket.

leaving heathrow when the hi jackers were in the frame, early eighties, just before xmas bringing kids back from boarding school to middle east. grandma had packed marzipan in silver paper for the xmas cake topping. the security were ex forces.oh christ 808 .panic
now you can ship nearly anything ,but hazardous goods are expensive.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

leaving heathrow when the hi jackers were in the frame, early eighties, just before xmas bringing kids back from boarding school to middle east. Grandma had packed marzipan in silver paper for the xmas cake topping. The security were ex forces.oh christ 808 .panic

:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

 

[Amulet]

Flew Lufthansa Heathrow to Hamburg this morning. I was bored enough to read the small print on the online boarding card. It explicitly forbids CO2 cylinders.

I'd have thought it was safer in the pressurised cabin than the hold.

A skydiver friend tells me that one sure way to attract attention from security staff is to take a parachute in your hand luggage.

 

[Pete R]

Flew Lufthansa Heathrow to Hamburg this morning. I was bored enough to read the small print on the online boarding card. It explicitly forbids CO2 cylinders.

I'd have thought it was safer in the pressurised cabin than the hold.

A skydiver friend tells me that one sure way to attract attention from security staff is to take a parachute in your hand luggage.

Most airlines say that and this is why I started the thread to find out who had gone beyond the initial blurb and got confirmation.

Unless you are flying in a small aircraft all hold luggage is presurised the same as the cabin. Gone of the days when your luggage arrived covered in ice, unless of course the baggage handlers leave it outside for a few hours.

My personal opinion is that the hold is better with the cannister unscrewed from the jacket so if it does go off it doesn't inflate, break the zips and send your PG tips flyng around.

The cannister should never explode as such but just discharge its gas as the seal is the weakest point otherwise they wouldn't put them under your seat. Or would they?

 

[prv]

I'd have thought it was safer in the pressurised cabin than the hold.

The hold is pressurised too. Building a D-shaped pressure vessel (ie top half of the fuselage only) is much harder ( = heavier ) than building a circular one.

Pete

 

[snowleopard]

One thing will always be true. Whatever the airline spokesman may say, there will from time to time be someone in the check-in process who thinks they know better and isn't about to be told his job by a civilian.

 

[Tintin]

One thing will always be true. Whatever the airline spokesman may say, there will from time to time be someone in the check-in process who thinks they know better and isn't about to be told his job by a civilian.

So true. Some check-in staff I have experienced recently have been great, others were ceratinly in training for a role in elf n safety, or a utility co call centre.

 

[rallyveteran]

Flew Lufthansa Heathrow to Hamburg this morning. I was bored enough to read the small print on the online boarding card. It explicitly forbids CO2 cylinders.

That's odd, because their website says otherwise:

http://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/...nformation on the carriage of dangerous goods

Carbon dioxide cylinder, nonflammable, non-toxic
Description: Two small cylinders containing carbon dioxide or other
suitable gas in division 2.2 per person, fitted into a self-inflating life
jacket plus up to two spare cartridges.
Checked baggage: Yes
Cabin baggage: Yes
Approval of carrier required: Yes
Note: Net weight max. 60g and net volume max. 120ml per cylinder.

Not like the Germans not to pin things down.