Leisure 23

Seajet said:
an inboard would be better as they have a designed weight of 4050lbs.

PeteK,

are you sure about that ?! Jeez, my Anderson 22 ( probably not allowing for the outboard in the well, say another 50lbs with external tank ? ) is meant to displace 2,500lbs and it's not a particularly light weight design !

I always thought it was down to my utterly brilliant sailing skills that allowed me to go past Leisure's but I may have to reconsider if they're carrying around the equivalent of a small car dangling beneath...
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Many people have weighed them on the crane whilst lifting out and they are usually 2.25 -2.5 tons with all the gear.The 23 is a"large" boat with standing headroom in main cabin and feels quite steady whilst walking around in fact the 23sl is often mistaken for a 25ft especially when dried out
 
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simon14b said:
Yes - that is correct, a scanned copy of the original data is shown here http://www.leisureowners.org.uk/brochure/23_old_brochure/leisure-23-4.jpg

Ballast is almost half of that at 1950 lbs, so it appears the L23 has almost the Anderson's total weight in those keels!

Edit - found this which gives a displacement of an A22, but for some reason the price in 1976 has been redacted :rolleyes: http://www.anderson22class.co.uk/favorite.htm
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Simon,

not quite sure of your point ?

The Anderson 22's displacement is 2,500lbs.

As the review by 'Small Boat' magazine was done in 1976, funnily enough prices have changed for secondhand examples.

If bothered or interested, try www.anderson22class.co.uk

or come for a spin on a proper boat ! :)
 
Simon,

I'm still in my normal state,- clueless - as to what you are referring to !

Anderson 22's generally go for around £4,000 if in decent condition and bog-standard trim ( though after this time most have been modified in some way ).

'Special' examples such as transatlantic racers go for over twice that, while early or poorly maintained boats with the Mk 1 keelcase will be cheaper.

The boat has been reviewed relatively recently - compared to the favourable 1976 'Small Boat' review - by PBO and Sailing Today, David Harding & Duncan Kent; both seemed to like her a lot !

www.anderson22class.co.uk

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Bugger, I've bought another boat. In fairness this one hasn't got a stonking great engine buring fossil fuels as if there's a cheap and endless supply of the stuff.

Had a really good dig around. The boat looks to be sound. Oviously its not a new boat so theres stuff that either I'm not happy with or needs doing. Like the skin fittings for the bog.
Mainly cosmetic stuff really. Hull is actually in good overall condition. The usual scratch here and there. No major dings, dents or repairs.
Biggest pain is that the vendor/broker has slapped a coat of black antifoul over the old flaking stuff. A waste in my opinion as its all going to have to come off. Not to say a bloody messy job for me! Any hints/tips or offers of help greatly appreciated!

Interior is ok. Needs the usual clean and elbow grease. Yet the wiring for bits and pieces is shocking. I'd be inclined to rip it out and start over.
Can't fault the broker. More than helpful and didn't get offended with the first offer I gave. Met on middle ground. Even offered hard stand at a discounted price whilst I carry out the work the boat needs. If truth be known, I think the boat has been hanging around for a while and they wanted it shifted as it was a P/X.

All in all I don't think I've done too badly. Got a useable boat in OK'ish condition for less than the market price. Now all I've got to do is sort the mooring!

Million dollar question is when its all done do I move it by road or by water. Essex to the south coast is a time consuming stint.
 
Did you buy the Leisure? I had mine transported on a 4 wheel flatbed trailer towed by a Toyota pick up.
There was a chap in the Leisure Owners Association who had a proper trailer which he would hire out to members. I let my membership slip so don't know if he still does or not.
If your doing the wiring, check the mast electrics while you got the mast down. I need to replace all mine this year including the VHF lead.
 
Aye I bought the Leisure 23. Not a bad deal at all, Got a fair chunk off the asking price, so its a tad over 2K. Needs a bit of work, nothing major.
The boat is in Essex where it'll stay until the works been done (leccy and water in the secure compond).
I'm having this mad idea to take a few days off work either side of a weekend and bring it around the coast. Still need to get the mooring sorted though!
 
BarryH said:
Aye I bought the Leisure 23. Not a bad deal at all, Got a fair chunk off the asking price, so its a tad over 2K. Needs a bit of work, nothing major.
The boat is in Essex where it'll stay until the works been done (leccy and water in the secure compond).
I'm having this mad idea to take a few days off work either side of a weekend and bring it around the coast. Still need to get the mooring sorted though!
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Go for it - you will learn so much about your new boat that weeks of short weekends wouldn't cover.
 
Good buy. I have the 23SL and love it. Not the best sailing boat in the world, but it has very few vices. She likes to be sailed flattish, or the weather helm builds up but I've also had her out in 30+ knots with no difficulties. If you want new sails, I can recommend Arun - they have the original patterns for the Leisure boats and do a good job. I also have an outboard, and it makes the boat very manouverable in a marina - you can spin it on a sixpence.
 
Seajet said:
Simon,

not quite sure of your point ?

The Anderson 22's displacement is 2,500lbs.

As the review by 'Small Boat' magazine was done in 1976, funnily enough prices have changed for secondhand examples.

If bothered or interested, try www.anderson22class.co.uk

or come for a spin on a proper boat ! :)
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Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I have a newbie question, would the extra weight of the L23 over something like a Hunter Duette make it feel more stable in choppy seas?

I myself am after something around a 23ft mark, with decent size for me and GF to go away for upto a week at a time, occasionally with sisters kids, thats fun to sail, and would like to go round the Solent mostly.. with longer term dreams of west coast / devon (doable in a 23?)
 
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Gallan947,

it's most certainly possible, and more to the point enjoyable, to travel along from the Solent to Cornwall in a 20'ish boat.

As long as one is choosey about weather & tidal gates, particularly Portland Race which should be treated with great respect,it's easy navigation - but use the opportunity to practice things like hand bearing fixes and always try to keep a 'we are here' plot on the chart.

The Leisure 23 is a bit slow - and I'm not talking of anything remotely like racing, more a case of getting to the destination in daylight / before last orders for food or beer ) and not very responsive or rewarding to sail, but she should be safe.

I think you need to calculate exactly how often the extended family may be along - even if they take to it - rather than what suits just yourself & missus...

You're right in thinking weight may give a more comfortable ride in seas, but good design comes into it too; a Duette will cope with seas happilly and be tied up in port with the crew indulging in local food & drink while a Leisure 23 would be slogging along half way there.

I don't own and have no connections with Duettes...
 
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gallan947 said:
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I have a newbie question, would the extra weight of the L23 over something like a Hunter Duette make it feel more stable in choppy seas?

I myself am after something around a 23ft mark, with decent size for me and GF to go away for upto a week at a time, occasionally with sisters kids, thats fun to sail, and would like to go round the Solent mostly.. with longer term dreams of west coast / devon (doable in a 23?)
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There's a few of us Leisure owners here, but I'll be the first to stick my nose in. I put ours back in the water yesterday after it's winter lay off. Towards the end of last season she really started to slow, on lift out there didn't appear to be too much fouling, but yesterday with a clean bottom she felt transformed. Certainly not the old dog that Seajet continually tells of :rolleyes: . Okay not a racer, but she'll sleep 5 , you have standing headroom and nearly a seperate heads.
Comfort wise, the shape of her hull and the displacement make her feel very steady, she will heel when pushed but easily manageable.
A lot of the time I sail single handed just using the large Genoa.
The longest cruise we had as a couple was 4 days, this was only restricted by work commitments, and could have easily stayed on board for longer, there's loads of storage and seating for such a small boat.
Many, including mine have crossed the channel to France and the Channel Islands.
There is an active owners association http://www.leisureowners.org.uk
 
colhel said:
There's a few of us Leisure owners here, but I'll be the first to stick my nose in. I put ours back in the water yesterday after it's winter lay off. Towards the end of last season she really started to slow, on lift out there didn't appear to be too much fouling, but yesterday with a clean bottom she felt transformed. Certainly not the old dog that Seajet continually tells of :rolleyes: . Okay not a racer, but she'll sleep 5 , you have standing headroom and nearly a seperate heads.
Comfort wise, the shape of her hull and the displacement make her feel very steady, she will heel when pushed but easily manageable.
A lot of the time I sail single handed just using the large Genoa.
The longest cruise we had as a couple was 4 days, this was only restricted by work commitments, and could have easily stayed on board for longer, there's loads of storage and seating for such a small boat.
Many, including mine have crossed the channel to France and the Channel Islands.
There is an active owners association http://www.leisureowners.org.uk
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I bought one in the end. Its not been in the water as yet. It makes a good caravan while I work on it. Last jobs this weekend are apply anitfoul and fit the Clipper Duet and transducers.
Then its drop the mast and on the Lorry in the next week or so. First sail will be Hamble to Chichester. I thought I'd do the down wind thing first just to make life a bit easier on a strange boat.
 
BarryH said:
I bought one in the end. Its not been in the water as yet. It makes a good caravan while I work on it. Last jobs this weekend are apply anitfoul and fit the Clipper Duet and transducers.
Then its drop the mast and on the Lorry in the next week or so. First sail will be Hamble to Chichester. I thought I'd do the down wind thing first just to make life a bit easier on a strange boat.
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Thanks all for your replies.

Where are you going to keep her Barry? - i'm in Chichester harbour myself, I currently have a Leisure 17SL - which is one of reasons I liked the 23sl, have been impressed with the build quality and especially like the moulded headlinings, as I wanted to maximise my water time vs upkeep time (within reason) I looked at a couple of Swift 18's before I got the leisure and all seemed in need of headlining replacements either right now or very soon.

At 6ft 4' I don't think i'm going to get too many boats in the 22-24ft range that sail well with 'standing headroom', it's more important to me to have berths long enough to sleep in!

I've found a 'scruffy' Sonata with lifting keel to go view, more to just size up the feel inside etc, as Duettes seem few and far between for sensible money, good ones now seem to be 7k mark, when you can get Hunter Horizon 23's for 9k.. I wonder how they compare? :)
 
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