Mister E
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So not just the house owner woke up to find the ship in his garden.
How much could he charge as mooring fees?
How much could he charge as mooring fees?
Left hand down a bit! Norwegian man wakes to a 135m ship in his garden.
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Stemar
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I suspect it's still the captain's, for sailing with an inadequate crew.
Tough call, though. How long would he remain captain if he refused to do so?
I'm reminded of a MAIB report I read around the time I started sailing, that colours my attitude to commercial ships to this day. A smallish cargo vessel - Russian Skipper, a couple of Polish officers and Philippino crew was heading east along the Channel, mate alone on the bridge, with only a bottle of whisky to keep him company. The autopilot's doing the work, and it's boring, so he turns off the bridge alarm and goes to his cabin to cuddle the bottle. The first anyone else knew about it was when the boat steamed up the beach at Dungeness.
Mark-1
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All other things being equal if the ship meets the flag state's manning requirements and any manning policies the company may have - and the crew routinely get enough time off watch - then I'd say the Captain is in the clear.
I still have a vast amount of sympathy for the watch officer though. It might be a nightmare staying awake in the role. AI would be brilliant at detecting sleeping watch keepers. Can't be far away from that being standard on bridges I would have thought.
Stemar
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The bridge alarm should help, if it was being used (if not, why not?) It sounds every few minutes and has to be cancelled within a reasonable time, or another alarm goes off in the captain's cabin. Still, I know that, on many ships, crew fatigue is a serious issue.
Biggles Wader
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Falling asleep on the bridge is an ongoing problem, witness the number of strandings similar to this one, and is made worse by short manning, auto pilots and comfy armchairs.
mjcoon
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Wasn't there a form of seating for operatives whose job was monitoring making of explosives. It was a simple single-legged stool...
Mark-1
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Ahh, sounds like the problem already has a solution. Weird. Faulty?
Daedelus
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I liked the guy whose garden it ran into, for someone who had narrowly missed a damn great ship smashing into his bedroom he was remarkably laid back about it all, I particularly enjoyed his comment the he was quite excited to see how they would get it off as it would take a lot of effort. Absolutely dead pan and not seeming in the slightest excited; are they all like that?
Stemar
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Indeed. I rather think there will be some hard questions asked about it:
A Bridge Navigational Watch Alarm System, abbreviated BNWAS, is an automatic system which sounds an alarm if the watch officer on the bridge of a ship falls asleep, becomes otherwise incapacitated, or is absent for too long a time.
Process
The BNWAS is automatically engaged when the ship's autopilot is activated.The minimum requirement for a BNWAS under International Maritime Organization standards is to have a dormant stage and three alarm stages, except that on a non-passenger vessel, the second stage may be omitted.[2]
Alarm stages
Stage 1:When the autopilot is engaged, the bridge officer is required to signal his presence to the BNWAS system every 3 to 12 minutes in response to a flashing light, either by moving an arm in front of a motion sensor, pressing a confirmation button, or directly applying pressure to the BNWAS centre.Stage 2:When a confirmation signal fails to occur within 15 seconds in Stage 1, an alarm will sound on the bridge, and if there is still no confirmation signal after a further 15 seconds, in the captain's and the first officer's cabins. One of them must then go to the bridge and cancel the alarm.
Stage 3:If neither the captain nor the first officer cancels the alarm within a specified time period (between 90 seconds and 3 minutes, depending on the size of the vessel), an alarm will sound in locations where other personnel are usually available.
Bridge navigational watch alarm system - Wikipedia
mjcoon
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Perhaps those time periods should vary with the speed of the vessel and/or distance from shore!
DJE
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Another Norwegian single-hander has come up with a solution after running aground. Erik Aanderaa is using this: Home - Watchit.ai
Boathook
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dunedin
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Yes there are also various alarms on the ECDIS. But still ships keep running into large chunks of land .... or other ships at anchor .... do to nobody awake on the bridge.
Reading one of the MAIB reports (on a ship that ploughed i to a substantial iskznd NW of Skye) i seem to recall that there were so many relatively minor warnings, for all sorts of trivia, it becomes routine to cancel alarms..... sometimes thereby also cancelling the 1% that really should be heeded (like granite island dead ahead,)
Stemar
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I can certainly understand that, but you have to be awake to cancel an alarm
OTOH, I suppose you could wake up just enough to cancel without thinking or raising your head. Unfortunately, I reckon a court of enquiry would call that gross negligence, even if crew fatigue is an issue.
DJE
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I'm starting to wonder if unmanned ships might be safer.
Hermit
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They would, but only if they were the only things out there. As yet none are able to fully comply with COLREGS that are mainly predicated on case law rather then actual navigational requirements.
There are ECDIS that have a harbour mode which silences all alarms - obviously that shouldn't be used at sea - but it can be.
SaltyC
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Aah, but surely that would deodbd on the person in the control room. Monitoring Video footage (BORING) not falling asleep?