Lassooing - do you, might you, or is it a sin?

[sailaboutvic]

Eh? How do you draw that conclusion? If that means what I think you mean, it's not the case. The vast majority of mooring owners, who have responded here, have said that they don't mind their moorings being used, if used responsibly.

For the avoidance of doubt, "responsibly", in this context, includes being sure that the mooring is suitable in size and space to accommodate your boat, not using it in any way that might cause damage to the mooring, or nearby boats, and being willing and able to drop the mooring immediately if requested by the owner.
If someone is unwilling or unable to comply with these simple requirements, then they should go elsewhere. There's nothing complicated about it
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Just look at the other poll 7 have said their don't want anyone to use there mooring , where have them 7 come from if not from here , Mmmm wonder who they are .
NormanS if your not one of them 7 then of course my comment don't apply to you .

" For the avoidance of doubt, "responsibly", in this context, includes being sure that the mooring is suitable in size and space to accommodate your boat, not using it in any way that might cause damage to the mooring, or nearby boats, and being willing and able to drop the mooring immediately if requested by the owner. " couldn't agree more .

" If someone is unwilling or unable to comply with these simple requirements, then they should go elsewhere. There's nothing complicated about it"
Again I don't disagree with you .
As I said SOME private mooring owners .

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[Tintin]

Try it and see!

You are one angry man aren't you. Let me know where it is and I will try it.

 

[Greenheart]

I'm sorry if someone else has already said this...

...but what's the difference in outlook, between those who rarely do it but will if the situation requires it, and those who've never done it but would if the situation required it?

Being perfectly prepared to do it despite never yet needing to, isn't any different to actually having done it, is it?

So in terms of whether we believe it's a reasonable or a wretched thing to do, those two groups are as one. Looks to me like they dominate the feeling here.

 

[Angele]

I'm sorry if someone else has already said this...

...but what's the difference in outlook, between those who rarely do it but will if the situation requires it, and those who've never done it but would if the situation required it?

Being perfectly prepared to do it despite never yet needing to, isn't any different to actually having done it, is it?

So in terms of whether we believe it's a reasonable or a wretched thing to do, those two groups are as one. Looks to me like they dominate the feeling here.

... There is a big difference between someone who has felt like strangling someone, but has never done so, and someone who has. In order to be guilty of a crime, you have to have actually done the deed.

At least that is the way I interpret it.

In this regard I am guilty...... :nonchalance:

 

[jwilson]

...... you just design the mooring so the buoy can be kept on board ......

My 48" circumference buoy supports a long length of very heavy riser chain - try getting that on board.....

Nothing against people using my mooring for similar sized boats, if they use the pickup buoy that is there, and the attached line and chain, and leave if I return. I object to lassooing though - having lost a previous buoy almost certainly to this practice.

 

[Greenheart]

There is a big difference between someone who has felt like strangling someone, but has never done so, and someone who has.

Hmm...that sounds like a good point, except that both of the 3rd and 4th types of would-be lasso-users, evidently feel the same way about the process - they might or mightn't have done it yet, but they'd have no qualms about doing so, for the first time or again, if the need arose. Hence not much difference in their view of the offensiveness of doing it.

On a similar basis, is there much difference between options one and two? The first suggests favouring lasso use as a temporary way of making fast until an alternative can be found; the second is exactly the same, except for recognising that certain types of buoy are less suitable than others.

Overall, there doesn't seem to be very much difference between any of the answers, except the damning, absolutist last option...

...I wonder why the OP didn't just offer a yes-or-no vote?

 

[sailaboutvic]

My 48" circumference buoy supports a long length of very heavy riser chain - try getting that on board.....

Nothing against people using my mooring for similar sized boats, if they use the pickup buoy that is there, and the attached line and chain, and leave if I return. I object to lassooing though - having lost a previous buoy almost certainly to this practice.

Well so do mine but at the end of it there a warp which the buoy on the end then a pick up line , so the chain stay in the water ,
To the second part of your posting Quote " having lost a previous buoy almost certainly to this practice." Are you an 100 % sure it was from lassoing ? Putting another way , did you see it with your own eyes , because that the only way you can be .
No one so far have said they have seen a mooring damage by lassoing , just there mooring been damage and they are assuming it was by lassoing it , they heard of one or in there mind they think the buoy will get damage .
Lassoing isn't an every day occurring. Most people go for the easy route , I know I would use a pick up line . Rather then lasso but if there was no other options and no other buoy to pick up and I couldn't anchor , yes I would lasso it . And I bet you how every much you like that the buoy won't be damaged because it won't be the buoy my mooring line would had lassoed but as I said so many time before it will be the chain , cable or the rope . The buoy would be dangling freely a foot or more the other side from where my line is attach to the chain , cable or what every .
I can't really explain it any clearer

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[sailaboutvic]

I think what both 1 and 2 is saying is if need be they would lasso it for a few mins while they get a proper mooning line where ever it need to be , I can't imagine anyone lasso a buoy and leaving it like that , for a start it wouldn't be long before the lasso slide off .

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[nikc]

My 48" circumference buoy supports a long length of very heavy riser chain - try getting that on board.....

I object to lassooing though - having lost a previous buoy almost certainly to this practice.

impossible!! a lassoo rope parting your massive buoy from a heavy riser!!! No way....

(if a lassoo rope did cause it to part it was about to fail anyway - then you should be grateful)

 

[sailaboutvic]

The poll should had read ,
have you ever seen any one or have you ever damaged a mooring buoy while it been lassoed
Yes
No

now that a poll I like to see , it a poll every one can take part in , With honest answers .

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[onesea]

Lassoing isn't an every day occurring. Most people go for the easy route , I
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The problem is the way lassoing is being taught it is becoming a more common practice. Infact I think for some people it is now considered the easy route.

I voted "Haven't done it, but may if the situation requires it". Then I have not anchored in a channel or fairway but would if the situation required. For me is a useful tool in an emergency.

As for damage done by Lassoing, it would be near impossible to prove100% if a buoy was sunk by lassoing. I am sure it's a contributory factor, either way my opinion is of no use...

What really matters is there are buoy owners out there that rightly or wrongly do not like the practice. You are an uninvited or invited guest on there property.You should respect there opinion and equipment. Your opinion (or anyone else's, except the buoy owners) on lasoeing is also irrelevant, you are a guessed the owner might not like it you do not lassoe. Simple.

In my mind anything less is poor seamanship and just plain rude.

This also fires the debate about if you should be picking up other people's property, if people did not lasoe there would be less of an issue here too.

 

[Iain C]

Sailaboutvic...just for the avoidance of doubt can you answer this.

Do you think is is acceptable to lassoo an inflatable buoy that has a pick up buoy also provided by the owner, in anything other than a genuine emergency? (loss of engine etc)

 

[sailaboutvic]

Sailaboutvic...just for the avoidance of doubt can you answer this.

Do you think is is acceptable to lassoo an inflatable buoy that has a pick up buoy also provided by the owner, in anything other than a genuine emergency? (loss of engine etc)

Iain to answer your question , NO Is any one with a brain between his ears going to mess about lassoing when there a nice and easy way of picking it up , inflated buoy or not , You have to go back to almost the begin and see what I have wrote , I have never said any one should lasso a private mooring let alone an inflatable one as it happen I have never said any one should lasso any thing , what I have said it teaching how to lasso a mooring is a very useful skill . I also said all the mooring I have used in the pass to teach lassoing was marina buoys where we had the permission of the marina or my own buoy on the Orwell .
The other thing that I said was i have never damage a buoy by lassoing it or know anyone who have seen a buoy damage by being lasso .
Last point I have been making is if you use the right rope and let it sink before you twist the rope it will hold onto the chain or cable well below the buoy .
I still stand by what I said in the begin , it a useful skill to lean one day you may need to use it .
Now if that's got a fee people up on arms I can't help that . Every one has an opinion ,
In this case some think it wrong other think it ok
Funny enough I had to lasso a restaurant buoy first time in god knows how many years , just the other week because it had no way of picking it up and when I pointed this out to the restaurant his comment was , well you manage it .

There a PS
Ian I read your other posting , and it seen your views are close to my as in , you and an mooring and you don't mind people using it , so you have made it as easy as you can for them to pick it up , there not much more you can do mate , it a fact private or not people will pick up mooring for lunch or to stay over night , so why not make it easy for them , or leave your dinghy on the mooring while your gone .

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[Iain C]

Well that's fine then. In one of the various threads I thought someone said that they'd even lassoo a buoy with a pickup buoy attached but obviously not you. Thanks for clearing that up. :encouragement:

 

[sailaboutvic]

Well that's fine then. In one of the various threads I thought someone said that they'd even lassoo a buoy with a pickup buoy attached but obviously not you. Thanks for clearing that up. :encouragement:

To be honesty so much have now been writing I forgot who said what .
Isn't it time we moved on guys ?
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[Corribee Boy]

ViC: I've got to 'fess up: I know that lassoing can damage a buoy, because I managed to destroy my own mooring this way!

My mooring has a rope strop with an eye at either end held up by an inflatable buoy. When I lift the eye, pull it through the buoy and cleat it on the foredeck it connects me directly to the riser and the buoy slides down the strop out of the way.

When my foredeck hand missed the eye in a botched pickup, but let a bight of the bow line catch around the buoy, the buoy popped off the rope surprisingly easily as the boat's weight came on it.

I've used that mooring for about five years with no problem and it's totally suited to purpose, but anyone lassoing would do the same thing and remove it.

As the strop's a couple of metres long, I can't see how you'd be able to lasso it without putting weight on the buoy, unless you make a habit of lassoing at a fathom depth!

 

[sailaboutvic]

ViC: I've got to 'fess up: I know that lassoing can damage a buoy, because I managed to destroy my own mooring this way!

My mooring has a rope strop with an eye at either end held up by an inflatable buoy. When I lift the eye, pull it through the buoy and cleat it on the foredeck it connects me directly to the riser and the buoy slides down the strop out of the way.

When my foredeck hand missed the eye in a botched pickup, but let a bight of the bow line catch around the buoy, the buoy popped off the rope surprisingly easily as the boat's weight came on it.

I've used that mooring for about five years with no problem and it's totally suited to purpose, but anyone lassoing would do the same thing and remove it.

As the strop's a couple of metres long, I can't see how you'd be able to lasso it without putting weight on the buoy, unless you make a habit of lassoing at a fathom depth!

Ok you managed to damage your buoy , what can I say , iil you read up a few posting I did say inflatable buoy shouldn't be lassoed , it may just be you didn't do it in the right way , I don't know I wasn't there , I don't think I said it impossible to damage a buoy . If you don't approach a pontoon in the right manner you will damage the boat or the pontoon , every thing is damage able .
To be honesty this posting have got to the state where people on both side are just coming on to pick holes . I won't be replying an more to this thread .
Sorry guys it getting silly

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