Lagoon 42 question

[geem]

I can't argue as I've only sailed in one mono ever - a 40 or 42 foot Beneteau and it was quite quick and very tippy - I don't get why people would want to live on the lean for hours or days on end in so little space but I fully understand your reasons for changing to one in your situation. Would your lottery win boat be a Kraken mono or an Outremer cat (or Dazcat or ORC etc) though?

There are many slow and heavy cats and the Prouts typify that, the SG37 included (albeit the best of the smaller ones) - the Ocean Ranger 45 was built to do one thing however and that was win the Ostar transat, which it did first time out. The Quasar 50 was built from those hulls and extended so it has very fine, long hulls, and sails completely differently from the rest of the Prout range. Right now the only thing I may swap it for is a Dazcat ( for more clarity I would not compare the two - the Dazcat as we all know, is a much superior sailing machine )

It's funny. I used to really hanker after an Outremer 45 but having been on them at anchor and sailed them, I no longer want one. A friend has the only catamaran that I would love to own. It's 56ft. Fast with carbon daggerboards, and cabon mast but they only built 4 of them in Trinidad at a cost of €2M.
each.
Out of my price range!
I don't have a desire to change my boat. We have plenty of room for the two of us and occasional guests.
Even with a huge cash windfall, we both agree that we wouldn't change the boat. The boat is at a size that we can handle it easily with two. Going up in size where you need electric winches for everything doesn't appeal. We don't feel we are penalised being on a 44ft monohull. We enjoy sailing and accept that the trade wind route is more comfortable in a cat but we have been 4 times to the Caribbean and 3 times back to the UK. Something we can do far more easily with a good mono than a catamaran, unless we spend that big wad of cash on a daggerboard equipped Balance, Gunboat or Outremer

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Yep these are impressive boats - I've sailed in a couple and some of the Corsair too - there is no comparison ...

Sadly not built to cruise the world though; at least not in any comfort for any length of time but if I ever want a toy...

Now I understand your numbers, your 10kn is at about 60 deg true, maybe a bit more. That is not close hauled to most monos, nor to performance multis. And then there’s leeway. I’ll grant you it could be better than a Lagoon, I don’t really know. I do know that the good dagger board cats, the Gunboats, outremars, Dazcats and similar will do the same or better than us. Like Geem says though, you pay for that. The Dazcat 1495 is a bit less than 2 million, but not much. If you lived aboard, I’m sure our Rachel would find a way to mansion tax you

 

[grafozz]

It's funny. I used to really hanker after an Outremer 45 but having been on them at anchor and sailed them, I no longer want one. A friend has the only catamaran that I would love to own. It's 56ft. Fast with carbon daggerboards, and cabon mast but they only built 4 of them in Trinidad at a cost of €2M.
each.
Out of my price range!
I don't have a desire to change my boat. We have plenty of room for the two of us and occasional guests.
Even with a huge cash windfall, we both agree that we wouldn't change the boat. The boat is at a size that we can handle it easily with two. Going up in size where you need electric winches for everything doesn't appeal. We don't feel we are penalised being on a 44ft monohull. We enjoy sailing and accept that the trade wind route is more comfortable in a cat but we have been 4 times to the Caribbean and 3 times back to the UK. Something we can do far more easily with a good mono than a catamaran, unless we spend that big wad of cash on a daggerboard equipped Balance, Gunboat or Outremer

A good thread , well done . If you need to know more about the Lagoon 45 issues the best I have seen is the YT Sailing Parlay Revival , this guy has been living aboard whilst sailing and surfing and knows all about running and repairing a 45 .

 

[geem]

A good thread , well done . If you need to know more about the Lagoon 45 issues the best I have seen is the YT Sailing Parlay Revival , this guy has been living aboard whilst sailing and surfing and knows all about running and repairing a 45 .

I used to enjoy watching the rebuild. Not such a fan of the sailing since that's what we do

 

[Neeves]

If you are seriously looking at a 42' live board, blue water, multihull you should include 3 Australian companies, Schionning, Grainger (both with a 'one off' focus) and Seawind (who now build in Vietnam).

Jonathan

 

[Chiara’s slave]

If you are seriously looking at a 42' live board, blue water, multihull you should include 3 Australian companies, Schionning, Grainger (both with a 'one off' focus) and Seawind (who now build in Vietnam).

Jonathan

They’re not common in uk waters, a shame. A Schionning cat has recently appeared near us, looks a nice boat

 

[Neeves]

Our Lightwaves was a Grainger design, now dated after 25 years, and his new designs reflect improvements in design. Schionning have always been cutting edge and their new designs are in advance of most other multihulls. I sailed on both a 40' and 50' Shionning on a delivery of 500nm (same owners) - both satisfy the need for speed without compromising creature comforts. The advantage of the custom builds is the owners are not trying to cram in lots of people so the demand for multiple heads (needed for charter boats) is reduced - possibly meeting the OP's desires. When we bought our Lightwave we looked at Leopard but their bread and butter is charter - and they don't customise (which is a bizarre restriction if you spending oodles on 'any' multihull).

Many of these multis are one offs, reflected in the individual's requirements, all the interiors will reflect individually. This does not compromise the builds - there are professional boat builders all down the east coast of Oz and most of them will have built at least one from Grainger or Schionning. The 2 Schionnings I sailed on were built by the same builder. Lightwave, who built our Grainger, now appear to build custom largish designs around 45'.

The cost of, even, a 35' cat or in this case a second hand, maybe - I wonder what the OPs ideas are now, Lagoon 42 is not cheap - but the OP implied living aboard - so an air ticket to Australia is just loose change. There are second hand Schionning, Grainger on the market - cutting edge designs or if too unconventional - plenty of Seawinds.

I think there is a German builder of Schionnings.


One word, or some words, of caution. There are other multi designers in Oz/NZ some of whom are professional. Grainger and Schionning are the biggest and have been around for decades. They offer full support to the builder (there are many owner builders) and work with builders/owners to achieve a professional result. Conversely there are some night mare tales of bad designs and no support.

Jonathan