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As posted on the classic forum, I have been asked to help someone to find out a certain type of classic. It's a 19th century painting which will be restored but the big question is, what kind of boat could this be? Do SB-ers know their classics??? (I certainly don't!)
Many thank in advance !

Rene.

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An American staysail schooner or a ketch with a big mizzen? Its not one of them "Grand Banks Dories" is it? The only other 19th century US design that I know of is the Sharpie, and it ain't one of those.

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Well, I would think that clipper bows weren't really seen on working boats, only yachts - with maybe the Chesapeake Bay Skipjack as the one exception - and it doesn't really look like one of those.

What do we think then ensign is? Red ensign, or US Stars and Stripes? To me, there is a lot of hint of Stars and Stripes there - not enough white in the blue, as it were.

The lug topsails indicate to me dates of in sort of mid/late 19th century?

So - my guess - a late Victorian ketch, with lug topsails. Assuming the people are to scale, LOA looks a bit under 40ish feet. Serious bulwalks, so very limited accommodation - possibly a daysailer, with only the paid hands sleeping afloat?

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The figures on deck are enough to show that she was not a fishing vessel, I would agree that the rig says first half of C19th, which is a bit early for a yacht, so a passenger/mail packet maybe. I don't think that the artist meant to depict a clipper bow, it is just the way the s/he has painted the waves up forward. Apart from the odd ensign, there is something about her that suggests French to me - but I'm really only guessing.
Interesting post though.

Mick

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Of course all this speculation assumes the artist didn't use any liberty...

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There's certainly a resemblance, though the clipper below looks longer and sleeker. Also looking at the picture below, it certainly seems that the painting has a stars and stripes

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If it is a Baltimore Clipper it should look something like this:-


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Which it doesn't.

Mick

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Many thanks to all the contributions, it turned out to be a very interesting discussion. I agree that it is most lokely to be a schooner, or what we call more specific a "Gaffel-Schoener" (gaff-schooner). Typical for these ships are: 2masts, resonable sleek and fast, US origin. Also typical for these ships is that (normally) the aft mast is the bigger one, but this could indeed be due to "artistic freedom"

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