Keep Turning Left.

I have never seen DW films although I have read all the stuff people wrote here regarding his comments,
As a ex east coast sailor I decided to take a look at what all the fuss was about to day.
the part of the film I sew was very good it brought back some very good memory, sailing with my children,
I got no idea how much he made out of his films, although I wouldn't had tho he made a fortune,
it does seems his filming brought a lot of enjoyment to some, so if people contribution help him to be able to make them, good for him.
it seen here on YBW , some are very quick to put the boot in the first chance they can.
as far as the copy right thing goes and people who wanted to crucified the guy for what he did, I have to wonder how many of them same gentlemen have broken copy right laws downloading music, films or even charts.

oh yea and merry Christmas guys
 
sailaboutvic said:
it seen here on YBW , some are very quick to put the boot in the first chance they can.
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Before you go laying into the forumites in general you might want to consider the whole story. I started watching KTL pretty much from the start.

He started off as a latish middle aged bloke who was going to sail around the UK in a two grand boat before he got too old, and he was going to make films along the way.

So off he sets. He was open from the start in saying he was making money from YouTube but the sailing films weren't covering the cost of the voyage. However he had an income from YouTube that whilst not huge is as much as some families had to live on with the breadwinner working a 40 hour week. It was mainly from other films, mainly Truckin' films.

Then he started pointing out to viewers that if they clicked on the adverts it would give him money. I remember seeing that on two separate films. A bit naive perhaps. Someone, believed to be in the US, took it seriously and clicked so much an automatic Google algorithm detected it and confiscated Dylan's income. From all the YouTube films, not just the sailing ones.

I saw this as a not entirely blameless victim of Big Bad Google, so like many others on here I made a few contributions to help his voyage along. He also started selling DVDs.

So the voyage continued. Dylan had also been quite open in views about copyright and the internet.

He'd also shot film around his house, particularly when building the duck punt, so it was obvious he wasn't building it on the kitchen table in a run-down council flat. So what if he has a nice house, but I mention this to set the context for subsequent events.

Next significant event was the Portavadie photo thread. It started off as a bit of a character assassination of the photographer, albeit it did seem his character had the odd bullet hole already and there were facts in the public domain. Fair play to said photographer he created a YBW account and waded into the bear pit. I can't say that I felt he reddemed himself that much but one of the things that suprised me was an allegation that Dylan had not only taken his copyright material but copyrighted it himself. I didn't believe that of St Dylan but checked the KTL website and the copyright statement was there on the page - I think it was removed shortly afterwards. Anyway he didn't win his case against Dylan - if I understood correctly mainly because he had something of a history as a serial litigant. Well done Dylan, but the halo had gone rusty.

Then came the tirade against 'freeloaders'. By this stage his two grand boat had morphed into a Centaur, ok not exactly a superyacht, and he was keeping it at Kip Marina. I don't know what triggered it - outside influence perhaps - but he had already upgraded a fair bit from the original premise which had never been publicised as a forumite-funded circumnavigation. Subsidised perhaps, but that was it.

It was the combination of the strength of that attack plus the escalated demands to fund a bigger and better boat that put me and many others off. Bear in mind that this was a bloke who had a better house than I could afford and keeping his boat in a more expensive marina than I can afford who wanted me to fund his hobby. That's when I said I'm out.
 
Don't know what all the fuss is about.

I think his films are very good indeed, and I do enjoy his laid back commentary - he certainly has a good voice for it. He doesn't always get the history or the pronunciation 100% correct, and, sure, he's occasionally deliberately provocative, but no more so than the mildest stand-up comic.

Most of his videos are between about 20 minutes and an hour long, so I'd guess that he spends a fair bit of his time editing. The end result is that he provides yachting porn for those us that enjoy it. It's up to the viewer if he/she wants to chip in an occasional donation to keep it all going.

YouTube, Google, social media etc, have been enormously disruptive for all forms of publishing, and people are now used to being able to while away endless hours of free entertainment on the web, so perhaps it didn't work out entirely as Dylan had intended. But so what? It would a gift to us all (well, most of us) if Dylan continues with the project, and a loss to us all if he cannot.

I hope he continues. It's up to his audience whether they chip in or not.
 
lpdsn said:
Before you go laying into the forumites in general you might want to consider the whole story. I started watching KTL pretty much from the start.

He started off as a latish middle aged bloke who was going to sail around the UK in a two grand boat before he got too old, and he was going to make films along the way.

So off he sets. He was open from the start in saying he was making money from YouTube but the sailing films weren't covering the cost of the voyage. However he had an income from YouTube that whilst not huge is as much as some families had to live on with the breadwinner working a 40 hour week. It was mainly from other films, mainly Truckin' films.

Then he started pointing out to viewers that if they clicked on the adverts it would give him money. I remember seeing that on two separate films. A bit naive perhaps. Someone, believed to be in the US, took it seriously and clicked so much an automatic Google algorithm detected it and confiscated Dylan's income. From all the YouTube films, not just the sailing ones.

I saw this as a not entirely blameless victim of Big Bad Google, so like many others on here I made a few contributions to help his voyage along. He also started selling DVDs.

So the voyage continued. Dylan had also been quite open in views about copyright and the internet.

He'd also shot film around his house, particularly when building the duck punt, so it was obvious he wasn't building it on the kitchen table in a run-down council flat. So what if he has a nice house, but I mention this to set the context for subsequent events.

Next significant event was the Portavadie photo thread. It started off as a bit of a character assassination of the photographer, albeit it did seem his character had the odd bullet hole already and there were facts in the public domain. Fair play to said photographer he created a YBW account and waded into the bear pit. I can't say that I felt he reddemed himself that much but one of the things that suprised me was an allegation that Dylan had not only taken his copyright material but copyrighted it himself. I didn't believe that of St Dylan but checked the KTL website and the copyright statement was there on the page - I think it was removed shortly afterwards. Anyway he didn't win his case against Dylan - if I understood correctly mainly because he had something of a history as a serial litigant. Well done Dylan, but the halo had gone rusty.

Then came the tirade against 'freeloaders'. By this stage his two grand boat had morphed into a Centaur, ok not exactly a superyacht, and he was keeping it at Kip Marina. I don't know what triggered it - outside influence perhaps - but he had already upgraded a fair bit from the original premise which had never been publicised as a forumite-funded circumnavigation. Subsidised perhaps, but that was it.

It was the combination of the strength of that attack plus the escalated demands to fund a bigger and better boat that put me and many others off. Bear in mind that this was a bloke who had a better house than I could afford and keeping his boat in a more expensive marina than I can afford who wanted me to fund his hobby. That's when I said I'm out.
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two question
did you enjoy his films?
did you feel what ever money you given him was worth what you got in return?
no trick question, just like to know.
 
sailaboutvic said:
two question
did you enjoy his films?
did you feel what ever money you given him was worth what you got in return?
no trick question, just like to know.
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Films are OK. I don't in any way begrudge him the money I gave him. I gave it of my own free will to help him continue his journey and films after the Google incident, partly because I felt he was badly treated by the over-reaction of a large corporate and partly for the films themselves.

I also respect his right to demand anything he wants to demand for his work.

I accept that he wants a pay-per-view approach to his films, even if that's not enforced, so I just chose to neither pay any more nor view any more. I hope others who are happy with his approach enjoy his films.
 
lpdsn said:
Films are OK. I don't in any way begrudge him the money I gave him. I gave it of my own free will to help him continue his journey and films after the Google incident, partly because I felt he was badly treated by the over-reaction of a large corporate and partly for the films themselves.

I also respect his right to demand anything he wants to demand for his work.

I accept that he wants a pay-per-view approach to his films, even if that's not enforced, so I just chose to neither pay any more nor view any more. I hope others who are happy with his approach enjoy his films.
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fair enough.
 
lpdsn said:
Before you go laying into the forumites in general you might want to consider the whole story. I started watching KTL pretty much from the start.


It was the combination of the strength of that attack plus the escalated demands to fund a bigger and better boat that put me and many others off. Bear in mind that this was a bloke who had a better house than I could afford and keeping his boat in a more expensive marina than I can afford who wanted me to fund his hobby. That's when I said I'm out.
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I sort of get where your coming from. I decided not to watch any more starwars films when lucas was sold to walt disneys . I mean all the cash , big houses and super yachts the
y are going to fund .

Merry christmas to oneself and all
 
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I have never met him, but I like him, mainly because, like many others on here, he was very helpful to me and my interminable questions. I had never really had much interest in his videos, I had dipped into a few, found some bits of interest, but didn't particularly rate them. ( I don't rate the bums and tits big hitting ones on YouTube either though.)
Every time I try, I fast forward the stills and little history/background bits, and the filming doesn't grab me.
I found the concept brilliant, and was a bit disappointed he didn't carry on with the wee boat, a centaur is a proper seaboat and not very adventurous. For all those reason she I never felt inclined to tap anything. I didn't feel I was getting something worth paying for, which I know sounds a bit harsh, but it's just meant to be for me, and I doubt I was his target audience.
Ironically, I would be much more interested in his Scottish west coast stuff, and might even have tapped on them, once I was viewing scenery I knew and loved. But if the Shetland and Orkney ones were a guide, perhaps not.
I have always thought, and have told Dylan his, that if he really wanted to monetise the project, he needed to have tasters on YouTube and the full episodes behind a paywall.
The tapping thing just doesn't work, and his strategy to try and increase taps by guilting forum members and viewers into tapping was disasterous and bang out of order.
On the copygate issue, he may have transgressed, but the other guy was a real piece of work, and basically used the law to to extort payments from folk, imho"

I do hope he gets to continue the project, but if I was to pay to view, it would be for stuff like the young lad on kudo.
 
I had started writing something on this earlier and scrubbed it. I think what Steve Yates posted pretty much sums it up for me too. I just felt DW spat the dummy and came across as quite bitter - wasn't endearing to make me watch any more of his stuff tbh.
 
I use Google Adds to support my retirement / hobby business (not related to sailing) I would be more than a bit dis-chuffed if someone was saying click the adverts to give me money - it might be my money, "only" c 9p a click, but that's against a budget of £2 - £3 a day on a small hobby business that funds my sailing and fly fishing.
 
Well I thought KTL had come to an end. It faded from my memory.
I watched it in the past and rather enjoyed it. I even ordered a DVD once just before the DVD sales stopped.

As it happens I did download and tap a few of his films not enough to make him rich but a small contribution in the hope he would continue to produce films I would enjoy.
Unfortunately it all apparently came to an abrupt end.

Reacently I visited his site and saw a new film on YouTube from I think the blackwater back the where he began.
I enjoyed it I made a small payment.

The side of his house, his horse, his car don't interest me even his choice of marina.
I enjoyed it because for years I had a nice house, nice income, nice job , and a cheep little boat I sailed on a shoe string.
Which is why when I first heard of KTL I found it interesting.

The Centaurs stil relevant to me. But I do find the little boat up a creek unique.

In the end it comes down to do you enjoy it or not a simple question really
My answer is yes.

I also quite like his tast in music for his films
Particularly the Skye Boat Song.

Personally I am glad there is something of interest on KTL again.
 
JohnDL said:
I use Google Adds to support my retirement / hobby business (not related to sailing) I would be more than a bit dis-chuffed if someone was saying click the adverts to give me money - it might be my money, "only" c 9p a click, but that's against a budget of £2 - £3 a day on a small hobby business that funds my sailing and fly fishing.
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Dylan didn't ask for adverts to be clicked onnly donate if you enjoyed via paypal . Having boughtand watched the dvds. chinese whistpers to say anything diffrent
 
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Uricanejack said:
Well I thought KTL had come to an end. It faded from my memory.
I watched it in the past and rather enjoyed it. I even ordered a DVD once just before the DVD sales stopped.

As it happens I did download and tap a few of his films not enough to make him rich but a small contribution in the hope he would continue to produce films I would enjoy.
Unfortunately it all apparently came to an abrupt end.

Reacently I visited his site and saw a new film on YouTube from I think the blackwater back the where he began.
I enjoyed it I made a small payment.

The side of his house, his horse, his car don't interest me even his choice of marina.
I enjoyed it because for years I had a nice house, nice income, nice job , and a cheep little boat I sailed on a shoe string.
Which is why when I first heard of KTL I found it interesting.

The Centaurs stil relevant to me. But I do find the little boat up a creek unique.

In the end it comes down to do you enjoy it or not a simple question really
My answer is yes.

I also quite like his tast in music for his films
Particularly the Skye Boat Song.

Personally I am glad there is something of interest on KTL again.
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You nailed it,
This it why I ask them two question, which I knew what the answer was before I asked.
If he did asked people to click ads, everyone had the option not too if they Tho it was wrong, I personally didn't know if you clicked on ads the the person who made the film would get a commission,
so some thing I learned any way I don't see any thing wrong with it, at the end of the day it went towards making the films that they where enjoying.

The house business don't come into it, who's to says his house isn't mortgage up to the hill, or he about to lose it,
any way the guy so I understand worked in films so no doubts the house came from that.

The Centaurs isn't some expensive super yacht, it not worth that much any way, although a great little boat for exploration rivers, which is what the guy was doing.
As for the copy right thing, I doubt there not many who haven't done that that at some time, and tho who download music and films have take a dam more then a few photo he taken.

SO to put the records straight .
In an earlier posting, I was accused of " laying into the forumites "
I guess the posting was started in that way to get the few other that disagree to lay into me which didn't Seen to work,
I glad to see not everyone are like sheep.
The only people my posting was directed to was the hand few, here who seen that their problem was more sour grapes then anything else.

Time now to do some research, how to make money out of anchoring films and posting t hem on youtubes.
Link to come guys. :)
 
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sailaboutvic said:
You nailed it,
This it why I ask them two question, which I knew what the answer was before I asked.
If he did asked people to click ads, everyone had the option not too if they Tho it was wrong, I personally didn't know if you clicked on ads the the person who made the film would get a commission, so some thing I learned any way I don't see any thing wrong with it, at the end of the day it went towards making the films that them where enjoying.
The house business don't come into it, who's to says his house isn't mortgage up to the hill, or he about to lose it, any way the guy so I understand worked in films so no doubts the house came from that.
The Centaurs isn't any think some expensive super yacht, it not wroth that much any way, although a great little boat for exploration rivers, which is what the guy was doing. As for the copy right thing, I doubt there not many who not that that at some time, and tho who download music and films have take a dam much more then a few photo he taken.
To an outside as me, this sound more like sour grapes.

SO to put the records straight .
In an earlier posting, I was accused of
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He asked peeps to cliclk paypal to donate iin the early film he Sold dvds and asked peeps NOT to
demon click
 
I was happy with dvds and would buy more no data usage (we don't have enough data to watch hd online too expensive) in fact I suggested he put them on data sticks quicker easier to produce smaller to post with a www.keepturningleft sticker but no reply
 
fergie_mac66 said:
I was happy with dvds and would buy more no data usage (we don't have enough data to watch hd online too expensive) in fact I suggested he put them on data sticks quicker easier to produce smaller to post with a www.keepturningleft sticker but no reply
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Maybe against what some think, he wasn't selling enough to make it worth his while, although it cost nothing to reply back to an email.
I don't think people realise how much time it takes to make a good half hour film, I sure behind it all was for him to make a few bob out of it, but hey why not.
I don't have a problem with it, no one forcing any one to donate, if it's against that person principles what he did then don't watch Or watch and don't donate.
This bring to mind the saying, do as I say not as I do.
 
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Enjoyed all of Dylans work and as a motorboater enjoyed even more his occasional pop in our direction..

He was of course not far of the mark in some of his comments, which of course piqued the ire of some rather sensitive motorboating souls. :)
 
sailaboutvic said:
Maybe against what some think, he wasn't selling enough to make it worth his while, although it cost nothing to reply back to an email.
I don't think people realise how much time it takes to make a good half hour film, I sure behind it all was for him to make a few bob out of it, but hey why not.
I don't have a problem with it, no one forcing any one to donate, if it's against that person principles what he did then don't watch Or watch and don't donate.
This bring to mind the saying, do as I say not as I do.
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writing dvds out is slow going and time consuming mem sticks are quicker to write and 8 or 12 port hubs are cheap now , but if he had hundreds to produce I can see it would cost in time or cash.
 
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