KAD300 Boost Problem

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I'm having an issue with the port engine which has defied all the easy and obvious fixes; hopefully somebody can think of something I haven't before I give the nod to my engineer to start pulling bits apart.

Scenario is as follows. Power up from tickover both engines pull cleanly, evenly, and power the boat over the hump. As the revs yomp away I throttle back to 3000 rpm which is my usual cruising rpm giving 25 knots. Engines briefly settle and then port engine gradually starts to drop rpm, eventually to the 2700 rpm mark when the kompressor cuts in and gives the engine a kick and revs back to 3000, whereupon the whole cycle starts again. Starboard engine manages to maintain its 3000 rpm. This is with engine sync turned off, if left on then starboard engine follows the port down, as EDC matches stbd revs to port engine. Now, If rather than throttling back to 3000 rpm I set the revs to 3100 rpm or higher, then all is normal and no loss of rpm. I maintained a 3200 rpm 28 knot cruise all the way across Poole Bay a couple of weeks ago on a blissfully calm and sunny morning.

I have done no less than three sea trials, one with engineer who had electrical gubbins connected up. Boost pressure is slightly lower on port than starboard, but he 'thinks' not enough to cause the issue we're seeing. The issue started about three months ago and has gradually become worse, but is now at a consistent level.

* Props have been cleaned and are free of all weed/slime/barnacles etc. (Having done this after an earlier trip that day when they were a bit fouled the performance difference was nothing short of astounding)
* Fuel filters are clean
* Air filter replaced
* Boat's bum is clean (I spent an enjoyable hour anchored up in Priory Bay on one of those recent hot days with the deck brush and snorkel brushing off what little slime there was)
* There are no error codes recorded on the ECU or evident when issue occurs
* There is no smoke from exhaust, even if I flatten the port throttle when it's losing power, which to me implies the ECU knows something is amiss... and doing this makes no difference to engine performance or sound
* Engineer has listened intently to the engine at various speeds and is sure there is no hosing or injector problem, or any other unusual noises coming from it.
* The turbo boost pressure sensor was replaced four years ago, but in any case we are seeing sensible readings on the diagnostic kit so assuming its okay
* I have cleaned the connectors to the EDC throttle pots, which themselves are only three years old after a similarish problem with starboard engine
* I think (not easy to be 100% sure with iffy french fuel gauges) the port engine is burning more fuel, which engineer says makes sense as ECU is trying to get the revs up and thus fueling up the engine. (Note - no black smoke so ECU is doing this within specs)

Other point of note are that it's not entirely consistent. Last week messing about with the throttles, up down, start, wot rpm, the issue seemed to go away and I cruised back to Pompey at 2900 rpm across both engines. Stopped near the entrance and headed back out.. and the issue was back. Electrical ??

Engineer thinks that the aftercooler may be partially blocked and thus engine not receiving sufficiently cooled air to develop enough power to maintain rpm. This is the next step unless anybody has any bright ideas..... If aftercooler is clear, then off with the turbo.

Ideas?????
 
Yup
Fouled after cooler =less dence air -not a lot but the Kad300 is on top of its game -there's no room for 1/2 % decrease in any thing especially in a big boat-
And your turbos are on the way the out -not a on /off thing -it's a gradual thing comes on slow /just gets worse .


Solution 1- ridlyme it -ie clean after cooler
2- turbo -refurb or replace

Don,t ask how I know :)
There's plenty of threads on this --owners living in denial -€ 5000 fix

See post # 35
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?460236-KAD43-lagging-port-engine-video
 
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Thanks Portofino - I somehow missed that KAD43 thread.

I'll be very disappointed if the turbos are worn - engines only have 370 hr on them. What do they make the blades out of - tin foil ? :hororr:
 
Thanks Portofino - I somehow missed that KAD43 thread.

I'll be very disappointed if the turbos are worn - engines only have 370 hr on them. What do they make the blades out of - tin foil ? :hororr:
Yes good guess and they make the housing out of melted down milk bottle tops as well .Wait until you see the riser ? Cast Iron in seawater !
That along with other components like on the pic # post 35 -the elbow will rust from the inside out.

Seriously it's more to do with Excessive Exhaust Temperatures - overloading due to mid season fouling -burns the tips so you loose turbo pressure ---- gradually -
Suggestion in the owners manaul is to strip down the cooling system --all of it every 5 years to rid of scale and inspect turbos as well - read that as code for replace .
Descaling the sea water cooling side now and agian in a marine diesel is ok if running temps creeping are up any how .
But fitting semi comsumable parts compared to MAN , MTU , CAT ,Cummins etc is shocking AIMHO
 
Based on years of these problems in thus engine you have the SC cutting in at revs when the boost from the turbo drops off , this is controlled by boost pressure switch match to engine rpm, I'd be looking for air leaks from the turbo to the intake manifold , then a switch change.
 
Thanks all for the suggestions..... a few things here for me to check out. I'll update the thread when I've done so.
 
Thanks Portofino - I somehow missed that KAD43 thread.

I'll be very disappointed if the turbos are worn - engines only have 370 hr on them. What do they make the blades out of - tin foil ? :hororr:

Worn turbos on the exhaust gas side especially on a stern drive boat is age related not hours related.
 
Yup well past it a 5 y throw away part in the VP ( Heroin addict ) world

Next time --in no particular order -- MAN ,CAT ,MTU ,Cummins -
school of hard Knocks
 
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Next time --in no particular order -- MAN ,CAT ,MTU ,Cummins -
school of hard Knocks

I believe the only one of those available with a outdrive would be the Cummins with a Konrad drive. Not sure that parts will be any cheaper than Volvo and I doubt there is much backup for that setup. Especially given that the complete package would involve 3 manufacturers Cummins, Konrad and a separate electronic control system.

Volvo Penta must be doing something right as almost every other boat in the 30 to 55 foot range has their engines.
 
CAT parts are hilarously expensive.

Mercury are probably the only other major outdrive manufacturer with cheaper parts than VP.
 
I believe the only one of those available with a outdrive would be the Cummins with a Konrad drive. Not sure that parts will be any cheaper than Volvo and I doubt there is much backup for that setup. Especially given that the complete package would involve 3 manufacturers Cummins, Konrad and a separate electronic control system.

Volvo Penta must be doing something right as almost every other boat in the 30 to 55 foot range has their engines.

Yup Credit -they allow the builder to pay the invioce ---once the boat is sold
Where as CAT ,MAN et al ,will dispatch there goods to the builder when his cash hits there bank a/c
 
Been meaning to update the resolution to this.. but it's taken a while to sort. With the advent of colder weather/water last October the problem disappeared. Over winter the aftercoolers were removed and thoroughly cleaned. All was good until June when exactly the same problem as last year re-appeared. Arghhh. Spent some time with engineer and diagnostic kit, swapping sensors making trial runs. Eventually deduced that port turbo was indeed down on boost compared to starboard, but not by much at the rpm where power was lost (circa 2kpa). Blades looked reasonable, but in desperation I sourced a replacement KKK turbo (now owned by Borg Warner) for a very reasonable £775 incl VAT and shipping. With this now installed performance is restored... bliss. The fault with the old turbo.... well there is just enough play in the bearings for the inlet turbine to foul the casing. Anyone for a K26 turbo needing a rebuild?

And now that it's fixed.. we are selling to move to next up. That's a story for another thread though.
 
Thx for the update and feedback
Not many do .

On a positive note going forward it's a Pitty there's not some sort of power /weight ratio ,graph or reliable info for planing boats .
In the sence to give prospective owners an indication of how near the "edge" or more importantly how far away from the "edge " the set up is .
I have said go for the one with with the biggest engines in the same range /model if poss time and time again foe real world use .

Weight and natural seasonal fouling are a planing boat speed killer and diesel engine killer if you have no means to protect against excessive EGT ,s

Over the years boats have ballooned up+ owners tend to then bolt on more Kg leaving very little headroom for a tiny fraction drop in hp from a bit of natural wear .
There's been a few threads on here recently about excessive EGT,s and the effects on seemingly VP turbo vanes .

It does not take much .
 

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