Just to cheer you lot up!!

[poter]

I know most stinkies don't read PBO, so you will have missed the comment. that the Government is thinking of taxing all pleasure boats & compulsory training of the users, so that they can get more dosh to pay for those flashing light thingy's in the water! Or is it for more cameras to check on the stinkies breaking the speeed limits?

True not a wind up. From Sarah Norbury no less.

Perhaps a protest flotilla outside HMG may do some good, what do you think?

poter

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[BrendanS]

It's not the government. It's merely a suggestion by Trinity House

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[Dave1258]

That came from trinity house, not chez Blair?.........

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[poter]

(semantics) they are a govenment department!

poter.


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[BrendanS]

But they can't legislate. That's what governent do, and it would take legislation to make the Trinity house proposal into real life.

Anyway, I think it's such a good idea, I'm going to write to my MP to draw it to her attention, and ask her to introduce the necessary legislation ASAP /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

PS just checked. They are not a government dept. They are a corporation under Royal charter, so don't have any responsibility to any government dept.

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[poter]

I don't really think that is the point, do you?

They are a department who can put recommendations to the government, and are being taken seriously enough at the moment for the RYA to start lobbying against these proposals.
They have also gone far enough down the line to employ consultants to do a study on the costings.

From your comments I assume that you would be in favour?


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[BrendanS]

They are not a government dept. They are a coporation. They have no responisibility to any government dept. They can make a suggestion, but have no influence or powers within the govt.

Really, really good idea to tax us for light dues, and to have licences for everyone, and impose lots of restrictions and more taxes, so I'm gonna support it wholeheartedly /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[BrendanS]

You're bending the truth a bit here. They have employed consultants to look at the economic effects of light dues. They haven't employed consultants to cost up training and licensing

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[poter]

So had we better tell PBO that they have got it wrong?

poter


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[BrendanS]

They've got what wrong? That they are a corporation (private company) not a government departartment. Yes, tell Sarah, that to state that a corporation is a government dept is completely and utterly wrong.

Trinity House is effectively a private company that is responsible for marine safety and lights, and charges shipping to pay for these services. They are allowed to do this under Royal Charter. They are absolutely not a government department.

So, the government have not proposed compulsory licensing.

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[poter]

I give up!!!

Quite true on that point but I have not bent any truth.

It is in fact the Depatment for transport who have employed the consultants to examine the light dues ecomomic effects (now they are a government department!)

My point was that as a pleasure boat user I thought it would be responsible to bring this to the attention of all hoping for some serious thought and give the RYA some feedback, but it was in vain.

poter



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[BrendanS]

Re: I give up!!!

Fully appreciate you bring the matter up, but some of the claims you were making were incorrect. If you'd simply stated that Trinity House were making waves and RYA were taking it seriously, we wouldn't have had to go through a bit of clarification.

To be honest, not sure if it's a good or bad thing

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[powerskipper]

don\'t give up just shout louder

You have a point;/forums/images/icons/cool.gif
Bit of serious stuff here
NO one wants compulsory licensing .
But has anyone got any suggestion on how to cover the cost of keeping navigation lights up to scratch. I for one use them, as I know most if not all of you on here do. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Many boating bodies watch this forum, the RYA included, so can we give them an idea or constructive suggestion to solve their problem before one is enforced on us all. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
Could a licence be included with the annual Radio licence or though insurance company’s, say as a water fun licence, £ 10 or £20 a year.
Many harbours do this already.
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[poter]

Re: I give up!!!

I was not making any claims, just giving you guys a chance to follow up on a Leading Article in the PBO. The facts & claims were theirs.

Are you serious about not worrying if another stealth tax is applied?
I have no problem with the training and licensing at present, but believe me if it becomes compulsory the costs & paperwork will go out of this world, & guess who will pay for it?

Crikey I really have got to get of this board and go back to Scuttle, its obviously too rich for me on here,


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[BrendanS]

Re: don\'t give up just shout louder

most of the nav lights you probably use are provided by harbours, not trinity house.

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[BrendanS]

Re: I give up!!!

you said the Government were considering taxes and compulsory licensing. They are not. PBO clearly stated that Trinity House have made the proposal

I'm not too keen on taxes, but I think training and licenses are inevitable, it's just a case of how long we can hold it off.

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[poter]

Re: don\'t give up just shout louder

Hi Julie,

Yes good to have a sensible point. The PBO are requesting feedback and I am sure the Forums in general Do have some lobby power even if it is small.
A consensus of ideas would help. If we could put them in some order and agree, or am I being to optimistic.
I think its important enough for Kim to get involved and maybe moderate the ideas?
As far as your suggestion it could work that way but as Sarah pointed out
"Say there were 50,000yachts of size & type that cruise the coast & possibly use Nav. aids. If they were each charged £100 that would raise a measly £5 million - hardly a dent in the £72 million or more required"

Its a problem, & has the potential to become a huge problem!

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[OzGirl]

Re: don\'t give up just shout louder

Regarding compulsory licensing - why not? Here in Oz, both boats and skippers have to be licenced. I've heard the old arguement 'Oh, we prefer voluntary training to licences and tests of competence' and I accept that what someone does on the day of the test doesn't mean he won't act like an idiot afterwards, rather like the roads. BUT.......the overwhelming advantage of licensing skippers is, IMHO, that in the event of an offence being commited, you have something you can take away.
G'day folks

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[DepSol]

Doesnt bother me in the slightest.

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[BrendanS]

They are going to tax people in the French Isles 3x what the mainland boats get, cos they need more lights due to all your rocks

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