Jotun antifouling feedback..

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We are a supplier of Jotun paints. I am trying to get to the bottom of this whole Seaforce professional use malarky that Jotun have now struck upon us. As you may know if you have tried to buy Seaforce it is now only available to 'professional users' which, i am currently trying to ascertain the bounds of this term. Be it paint sprayers, boatyards, repair centres etc.. Can you give me feedback if you have used Mare Nostrum and Seaforce and have you noticed a significant difference. Perhaps we can find a way to solve this issue with Seaforce if you guys would still prefer it.
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Bayside Marine
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Thanks for this proactive response to the Jotun supply problem. I for one have used Seaforce for the past few years, managing to get 2 seasons out of a 2 coat application with the boat in the water year round, only coming out for a couple of summer weeks for maintenance. I have been very happy with the results and would like to continue with this regime when the boat needs re-antifouling this coming summer.
 
I was informed by another supplier that the restriction wasn't on the user, but what it was to be used on: if your yacht is coded, no problem to use Seaqueen.

That's not unreasonable on the face of it, but if the stuff really is that toxic that it needs restriction, then cutting it's use on relatively small leisure craft but allowing similar compounds on large commercial craft, is surely going to be a marginal reduction and quite ineffective?
 
I have used Seaforce for several years and was fairly happy with it. Forced to use Mare Nostrum last year and was not so happy. Very little shell but a fair amount of 'grass'. Will be using Mare Nostrum again this year as I bought it last year but will need to re-think at the end of the season. Thanks for your efforts, let's hope you can get somewhere.
I suspect that this may be a purely commercial decision (ruse) by Jotun as, according to posts on the forum, some European users of Seaforce seem to be able to source it without a problem.
 
6 years ago I purchased a 20Ltr drum of Seaguardian and its been brilliant!
Now at the end of the drum (the last 5 ltrs or so left) and wondering what to use next?
The Seaguardian performed really well in Langstone Harbour on a swinging mooring, so if the Seaforce 30 is as good, I'm up for some more.
Out of interest, what do the RNLI use on their craft? Or do they not antifoul? Perhaps a RNLI operative can order a bulk load on our behalf, assuming that their craft are coded??
 
mickywillis said:
6 years ago I purchased a 20Ltr drum of Seaguardian and its been brilliant!
Now at the end of the drum (the last 5 ltrs or so left) and wondering what to use next?
The Seaguardian performed really well in Langstone Harbour on a swinging mooring, so if the Seaforce 30 is as good, I'm up for some more.
Out of interest, what do the RNLI use on their craft? Or do they not antifoul? Perhaps a RNLI operative can order a bulk load on our behalf, assuming that their craft are coded??
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I'm glad you're trying to get to the bottom of this too. The situation is of course brought on by Jotun to make more money out of yachties. I would happily use some of the Seaforce and buy in larger tins but sadly they're doing themselves out of business as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to pay more money for a lesser product.
Currently there is International Micron Extra II going on my boat instead, at considerable expense (but I know it works).
 
G12 said:
I'm glad you're trying to get to the bottom of this too. The situation is of course brought on by Jotun to make more money out of yachties. I would happily use some of the Seaforce and buy in larger tins but sadly they're doing themselves out of business as far as I'm concerned. I refuse to pay more money for a lesser product.
Currently there is International Micron Extra II going on my boat instead, at considerable expense (but I know it works).
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When this first came to light it was being peddled out as under Coshh regs. It seem that was bull Sh
 
I used Seaqueen over a few seasons and it was easily the best AF I have used over about 10 years or so. I for one, would definitely use it or Seaforce if I could get it. Otherwise, next year I will almost certainly be using another brand. Mare Nostrum is too weak and too expensive.
 
Agree with all of the above. Have used Sea force 30 for a good few seasons and it has been brilliant. Mare Nostrum is a poor performer by comparison and priced at too high a price point to be competitive against the established brands. :confused:
 
We have over 650 members in the Colvic Watson Owners Group and many report that the Mare Nostrum is like water and with very poor performance and WAY overpriced.

I agree with many others that it is almost an insult of Jotun to infere that yacht owners are not capable of applying antifoul and only so called professionals can, what have we been doing for the last decade putting on emultion? do they think we have not heard of H &S or know how to use it !!

Jotun also appear to not realise that most boat owners are quite capable of comparing paint specifications AND prices.

Like many others I have used Seaqueen for many years and have been very happy with it and WAS at a reasonable cost, now the nearest Jotun antifoul is their 'Nonestop' (but not the same specification) and almost twice the price AND for only 2.5 litres instead of 5 litres.

Jotun will find to their cost like the big supermarkets boat owners will vote with their feet and go elsewhere and heaven help them if ALDI ever sell antifoul!

It's is a pity as I have always received excellent service from Bayside Marine but boat owners are not all rich and sadly it will be Bayside Marines business that will suffer the consequences in the end.

Mike
 
I too have used seaqueen for the last 10 years or more and don't really want to change to anything else as it works
Don't understand why this has happened there must be a way of buying it possibly through a yard?
 
paul-essex said:
I have only ever used sea queen and had a bit left for last years job
I am at the moment thinking of going over to Coppercoat if I cant get sea queen any more
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Ditto. But not this year so I'm left wondering what to use.

Seaqueen was by a mile the best a/f going and is it's a complete PITA that Jotun have pulled this stunt
 
I too agree with all that has been said.

I have used Seaforce now for 4 years on a drying swing mooring in Chichester Harbour and am really pleased with the results. January 2014 I tried to order some but was told it was only available to professional users with the appropriate COSHH paperwork, but I was lucky enough to get 5L from an Ebay listed supplier, this year that is not even an option.

It would be interesting to know why it is available to mainland Europe users but not to us on our little island.
 
We had sea queen from you before we left the uk , it was excellent antifouling paint , I tried to buy some as a commercial user in the uk , flashed my seamans discharge book and everything but was told by jot un to bugger off.

Some research in Spain led me to a supplier of sea queen and I bought a locker full of the stuff !

Without doubt the the best antifouling I have used in thirty years of both commercial and leisure boat ownership.
 
Fully agree with all of the comments regarding the effectiveness of sea queen, i have used it for several years with great results. Thank you for getting to the bottom of why we are not able to purchase in the uk, in doing a google search i see that in Holland the stuff is readily available to buy on line.
 
Corribee Boy said:
I was informed by another supplier that the restriction wasn't on the user, but what it was to be used on: if your yacht is coded, no problem to use Seaqueen.
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That is correct. I was supplied with Seaforce (Seaqueen is no longer available) on production of my coding cert.

Corribee Boy said:
That's not unreasonable on the face of it, but if the stuff really is that toxic that it needs restriction, then cutting it's use on relatively small leisure craft but allowing similar compounds on large commercial craft, is surely going to be a marginal reduction and quite ineffective?
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Why is it "not unreasonable"? How does coding impact on H&S issues for anti-fouling? It is a blatant attempt by Jotun to screw £££ from a customer base which they perceive as having more money than sense. Seaforce is a good product, as was Seaqueen, but my perception of the Jotun brand has plummeted following this stunt by their marketing dept.
 
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