Jim Shead boat listing

Magnette said:
So who is Tim Mountain?
It seems that he has managed to remove the very useful Boat Listing by making a complaint about data which if my reading is correct would not stand up under DP rules.
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He is a boat owner at Benson Marina and is active on RUG 3. Quote from minutes of Oct 2012 minutes "Concern was expressed about a website run by Jim Shead which published a variety of data about boats on the river including some obtained under FOI, which should not be used for commercial purposes."
 
Thats a shame always found it a very interesting source of info.



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Hi everyone!

Just been on Jim Shead's site -

http://www.jim-shead...of-England.html and clicked on boats. Note: You may have to type this address into your browser manually or copy and paste it in. If you still cannot get the site up please type in jim shead.com into search engine (I used google)and you should get 'This Page has moved to www.jim-shead.com'. When you click on this link you should be re-directed to new website 'http://www.jim-shead.com/waterways/Inland-Waterways-of-England.html'. Click on this link and then click on 'boats' leading you to boat listings. Type in name of boat or registration number or boat builder then click 'all' and then 'find' it will take you to new page and you should see this statement -

"The web hosting company for this web site, 123-reg, have ordered that two entries be deleted from the Boat Listing following a complaint by Tim Mountain that the entries infringed his copyright. 123-reg have not upheld this complaint but they have still insisted that the items be removed before they would reinstate my website. Reluctantly I have withdrawn all my boat listing rather than just removing the two items because firstly the list would no longer reflect the true situation at the time the data was captured and secondly giving special treatment to boat owners who make spurious complaints would encourage more to follow suit.

I am taking legal advice on this matter and hope to restore the Boat Listing as soon as possible."
 
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Yes I had found the RUG bit but didnt know any more
I do feel that some people get very precious about data like the JS site as it doesnt identify them at all.
In fact he will probarbly get identified more now he has done this wheras if he hadnt complained his boat name would have just been one of many on a list .
 
What an unsavoury person... That was useful information, and had no personal data on it. How utterly pointless.
 
Magnette said:
Yes I had found the RUG bit but didnt know any more
I do feel that some people get very precious about data like the JS site as it doesnt identify them at all.
In fact he will probarbly get identified more now he has done this wheras if he hadnt complained his boat name would have just been one of many on a list .
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You are so right, I've just had a PM from him! Sadly I do know his boat now!
 
If he is who I think he is then he works in the same industry as I did for many a year.
I will say no more incase he gets his legal team out, but there is a lot about him on the net if I have it right and its stuff he has placed there which makes it even funnier.
 
I totally fail to see how there could be any copyright issue involved. The Shead listing, as I understand it, was simply the listing of registrations from the EA and BW and did not reveal identities or personal information at all. I also saw no evidence of Shead using the details for commercial purposes on his site.
 
No Regrets said:
What an unsavoury person... That was useful information, and had no personal data on it. How utterly pointless.
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Bit of a **** really.
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Brayman said:
You are so right, I've just had a PM from him! Sadly I do know his boat now!
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Actually realise I know him now although only by sight, his boat is always immaculate and not at all pompous and I always get a cheery wave.
Just shows that you have to be so careful with the internet, even when objecting to it!
 
I would like to thank you all for you character assassination, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Please let me tell you the details. Firstly I have over the last few years asked Mr Shead on a number of occasions to remove the details of my boat (private property) from his web site and he originally did so but soon after put the details back. I understand that some people might enjoy his listing but he should respect peoples privacy and remove individual details if asked.
During January this year I e-mailed Mr Shead three times asking for details to be removed but he did not bother to reply.

I then contacted his hosting company and discussed the mater with them and they then asked Mr Shead to remove ONLY my details. He did not bother to reply to them so they shut his site down. He then decided to make contact with them and was told his site would be reinstated if he removed my boat details. Mr Shead decided to remove the complete boat data base. His words on his site are : "Reluctantly I have withdrawn all my boat listing rather than just removing the two items" I did not ask Mr Shead to remove the complete listing.
The hosting company were VERY upset at Mr Shead's statement on his boat listing page when he attacked them, so they have again shut his site down.

As regards the RUG meeting. The subject of Mr Shead's web site was first raised by an Environment agency member of staff and not me, however, I did then pass comment.
It would be nice if some of you had read both Mr Shead's statement and the RUG details before launching an attack on me. I am more than happy to discuss this matter with anyone and before having another attack on me, why not send me an e-mail with a phone number and I will gladly give you a call.

I wish you all a great 2013 boating season

Best wishes
Tim
 
Timothy said:
I would like to thank you all for you character assassination, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

......... Tim
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I'm afraid that disappeared with the onset of internet communications.

To my mind it's not so much a matter of whichever Mr. Shead published the information, more one of BW / CaRT publishing the details in the first place. Upon enquiry (some time ago) EA stated that they would only provide individual information to person(s) on a "need to know" basis. EA was not prepared to qualify that basis.

I objected to an amended clause in the TWO legislation and can't recall whether the provision was instated or not.

In these days of data mining and targeting, I think I would object to any information about me, my habits, my property being published, but then that's not the way it is. Paert of the Open Society, perhaps. The only action I can take is to hide as much detail as possible.

Perhaps Mr. Timothy, you might care to take up the issue with EA - I got nowhere.
I see that - it is said - you are active in RUG3 - that's good; my impression of RUGs is that many of them are inactive, or is it that they hide from prying eyes, having seen the light.......
 
Timothy said:
It would be nice if some of you had read both Mr Shead's statement and the RUG details before launching an attack on me. I am more than happy to discuss this matter with anyone and before having another attack on me, why not send me an e-mail with a phone number and I will gladly give you a call.
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I did read both JS statement and the RUG minutes as well as other stuff that you have posted on forums re this matter as long ago as 2005.
When the origional listing came out you did have a point as boat locations were listed, since the list has changed and now it is just in the form of anonymous data which no way can be traced to the owner.
If you check all the various DP stautes you will in fact find that you have no grounds to ask JS to remove your listing so your request is nothing more than malicious.
I undestand why JS refused to remove your boat name as it would mean that the dataset was incomplete and could open up the gates for others making spurious requests.
The ironic thing is that because of your campaign against JS and his boat listing there is now far more about you and your boat on the internet than there was, if you had just stayed quiet no one would he been any the wiser......

Finally it looks like the ORG may well be having a look at this case..
 
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Timothy said:
Firstly I have over the last few years asked Mr Shead on a number of occasions to remove the details of my boat (private property) from his web site
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Why?

It's only the name of a boat, a few details about said boat, namely top secret information such as the hull length, and private stuff like the engine size, in addition to when it was last registered with EA or whoever.


Seriously, you have to have some serious personal issues to worry about that.

Now, you have caused the whole website to disappear.


You'll get no thanks from me, or many others I doubt, but as long as YOU'RE happy.....sigh...

Oh, and before you get all pompous and arrogant again, this information isn't PRIVATE, as your boat will no doubt be afloat somewhere, clearly visible, along with it's hull length and current EA licence. We may have had to guess at your miserable little engines output, but hey-ho...
 
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TrueBlue said:
I'm afraid that disappeared with the onset of internet communications.

To my mind it's not so much a matter of whichever Mr. Shead published the information, more one of BW / CaRT publishing the details in the first place. Upon enquiry (some time ago) EA stated that they would only provide individual information to person(s) on a "need to know" basis. EA was not prepared to qualify that basis.
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I belive that the info origionally came from an FOI request an not even the EA can block that.
There are no "personal" details in the list so I really cant see the problem.
 
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