Jersey Flag in Greece

I don't want to impose too much on your generosity jfm but I'm curious how the black mark would follow the boat in practical terms. I have no experience of processing paperwork in Greece. My previous boat was under 10M and in my frequent trips to Samos prior to this year I never had to make an official entry for the boat and I didn't manage to get there at all in 2017. What I envisage happening is that I will apply for a new TL for the boat with the new name and Jersey registration and the ex owner will surrender his old TL as if he was leaving with the boat. Where would the black mark exist or be recorded in practice and when I sell the boat in the future how would a prospective buyer learn about it?
 
I mean only when you come to sell. A buyer will very possibly see that you bought it inside the EU in a non vat paid state, and ask how it came to be vat not paid inside the EU. The usual answer to that Q is "TI" and it is probably the answer in this case. At that point buyer can see that the TI conditions were breached and that vat became payable. It's then up to you to persuade buyer that risk of any problem is very low but all that would amount to at least a bump in the road during sale negotiations
 
Why not register the boat in Belgium?
All done on the web, a "Taxe de mise a l'eau" which diminuishes with the age of the boat.
Within 20 days they mail You the Lettre de Pavillon.
AND You are registering a privatly used, Greek registered "previously cared" boat.
VAT problems should be of concern to the seller, not the buyer, methinks!
 
gianenrico said:
Why not register the boat in Belgium?
All done on the web, a "Taxe de mise a l'eau" which diminuishes with the age of the boat.
Within 20 days they mail You the Lettre de Pavillon.
AND You are registering a privatly used, Greek registered "previously cared" boat.
VAT problems should be of concern to the seller, not the buyer, methinks!
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The boat is not Greek registered and it was offered for sale “VAT not paid”.
 
There is no concept here of "become UE" (or EU) in terms of the law and the way it is enforced.

RCD is a red herring in this discussion. Being "not vat paid" does not at all suggest non RCD compliance.
 
jfm said:
There is no concept here of "become UE" (or EU) in terms of the law and the way it is enforced.

RCD is a red herring in this discussion. Being "not vat paid" does not at all suggest non RCD compliance.
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Fountaine Pajot built 2003 so no issues in that regard.
Thanks for the name change Admin.
 
I'm posting an update to this thread in case it is of interest to anyone else going forward. We launched the boat in Preveza on 02 April and I went to the Customs there the same day. The previous owner had lodged his Transit Log [TL] with them in October when he put the boat on the hard. I gave details of his TL and all my papers in relation to change of ownership, change of registration and change of name plus my insurance, crew list and proof of my residency in Turkey. I was issued with a new 18 month TL and there was no charge for it. I then visited the Port Police and had the TL stamped. I was advised to visit the PP in every port I visited but from talking to the PP elsewhere it is clear this is not an absolute must and if you skip an odd one it's not a big issue. Pythagorio was my last call before leaving Greece and the PP charged me €5 departure tax [he told me there is also a €15 entry tax when you first enter Greece from outside the EU]. I then went to Customs and surrendered the TL and the officer there told me that when I return I will have to pay €30 for a new TL. I'm assuming the reason I was not charged in Preveza was because they were just changing the details on an existing TL by reissuing it but it does seem strange they gave me a full 18 months rather than just the unexpired period of the previous TL.
 
Good to hear that things went fine eventually! I plan to register my EU (UK) VAT paid boat in Jersey and keep it in various EU countries. Greece - being on the other end of the continent - is not in our immediate plans, but I'd be interested in your experience in other states.

The Jersey registry seems to be reasonably priced on the long run, and likely won't be any different than any other Red Ensign registries after brexit. Also, neither being an EU resident/UK/Commonwealth citizen nor being fan of creating a corporate structure for a 33' boat, I can't just use any registries.

I just wonder if a VAT paid but non EU-flagged boat could get a DEKPA?
 
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GTom said:
Good to hear that things went fine eventually! I plan to register my EU (UK) VAT paid boat in Jersey and keep it in various EU countries. Greece - being on the other end of the continent - is not in our immediate plans, but I'd be interested in your experience in other states.

The Jersey registry seems to be reasonably priced on the long run, and likely won't be any different than any other Red Ensign registries after brexit. Also, neither being an EU resident/UK/Commonwealth citizen nor being fan of creating a corporate structure for a 33' boat, I can't just use any registries.

I just wonder if a VAT paid but non EU-flagged boat could get a DEKPA?
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there is no barrier to keeping the boat in the EU if it is VAT paid irrespective of the owner's status or its registration - although You may find local difficulties with Greek Port Police because of the Jersey registration. They are notoriously variable in both their understanding and application of their own rules. Probably will be even more variable in the next couple of years as they are just trying to implement their new rules. In theory you will buy a DEKPA on entry and it will need renewing annually if you stay there, or if you leave before expiry and arrive again after expiry you will need a new one. That is how it stands at the moment but no guarantee how it will be in the future.

Your main constraint on using the boat is likely to be your personal standing with the Schengen rules.
 
GTom said:
Good to hear that things went fine eventually! I plan to register my EU (UK) VAT paid boat in Jersey and keep it in various EU countries. Greece - being on the other end of the continent - is not in our immediate plans, but I'd be interested in your experience in other states.

The Jersey registry seems to be reasonably priced on the long run, and likely won't be any different than any other Red Ensign registries after brexit. Also, neither being an EU resident/UK/Commonwealth citizen nor being fan of creating a corporate structure for a 33' boat, I can't just use any registries.

I just wonder if a VAT paid but non EU-flagged boat could get a DEKPA?
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First off I couldn’t praise the Jersey Registry highly enough. They were excellent to deal with, extremely helpful and a lot of the work had been done before I even paid the fee. Apart from Greece the only other country I’ve visited with my Jersey reg is Turkey and the entry and transit log procedure was reasonably straightforward and the Jersey reg was classed as a British reg in their system. As far as I know only EU flagged boats can get a DEKPA. If I can offer any specific advice on the Jersey reg procedure just let me know.
 
Thank you for both of you! In the next few years we are going north (UK, Scandinavia), where I expect to be treated according to the letter of the law (which is not changing year-to-year). I'll see how much additional curiosity does the Jersey flag bring.

I see non-Jersey residents need a representative person, that adds to the costs a bit.
 
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