swampy
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Does anyone have experience of sailing the Sun 2000 singlehanded? Are the sheets too far away from the Tiller? It seems quite a distance.
Jeanneau Sun 2000 - Can it be sailed singlehanded?
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LadyInBed
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Fit it with an autohelm and you could sail it with one hand and one leg /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
William_H
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Any yacht of reasonable size (not a ship) can be sailed single handed.
Providing you are not sailng in a conjested or narrow water way and provided you have some sort of self steering and provided you can reduce sail efficiently and easily. You just need to be organised.
I saw recently the 5 oceans single handed race boats in Fremantle. They certainly are not tiny or simple. So surely you can do it just be carefull. good luck olewill
Providing you are not sailng in a conjested or narrow water way and provided you have some sort of self steering and provided you can reduce sail efficiently and easily. You just need to be organised.
I saw recently the 5 oceans single handed race boats in Fremantle. They certainly are not tiny or simple. So surely you can do it just be carefull. good luck olewill
simonfraser
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get an autohelm and plan ahead, no prob, mor of us sail alone ?
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Anonymous
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You should be able to manage that single-handed even without a tiller pilot (though you'll be glad you had one!). I guess you are a dingy-sailor? I've never sailed one of those but looking at the spec online you have two winches and two jammers and a block and tackle for the main sheet. To go about when close-hauled you'd take the jammer off the active jib sheet, leaving three turn round the drum, then push the tiller over and let the sheet fly at the appropriate moment. The main sheet will look after itself on the block and tackle which no doubt has a jammer. As she goes through the wind, you put one turn round the appropriate drum and pull in the slack, flick another couple of turns round the drum when you've got the slack out and start winching in to get the jib tight. If you've got the sails nicely balanced, you shouldn't have too much force on the tiller. You might need a tiller extension. Even if you have a tiller pilot, you want to be able to do this even in the dark - tiller pilots do fail.
Looks like a nice boat, and trailerable and beachable, which will keep costs down.
Looks like a nice boat, and trailerable and beachable, which will keep costs down.
seumask
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Definatly can, you just need a bit of strong elastic to go across the back of the boat between the morring cleats to wrap around the tiller several turns to hold it for a short while every time you need to fiddle with something requiring both hands. An adjustable tiller extension also helps you steer from anywhere in the cockpit. A good freind has one and this is what he does. I have even seen him put the kite up single handed, then subsequently lose the halyard up the mast but this is a different story.
Lakesailor
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Whyever not?
I sail an 18ft Foxcub singlehanded all the time. On Windermere you are in close quarters a lot of the time and certainly your longest beat is about 10 or 15 minutes if you're very lucky.
The other day on my way to the web cam sail past I probably put in about a dozen tacks in going up the channel behind Belle Isle, but if I sail up there into a head wind it could be 60-80 tacks as the moored boats and the channel makes progress a little slow at times.
There is a Sun 2000 next to me on the moorings and the only thing I would say is the cockpit is a bit wide.
The best technique is to cross cleat the headsail sheet from the lee winch across the cockpit to the windward coaming cleat so that all your controls are to hand. If you don't have a simple jamming cleat think about fitting them.
I'd be suprised if you needed to winch the headsail except in stronger winds. I use my winch to provide friction and a turning point.
I sail an 18ft Foxcub singlehanded all the time. On Windermere you are in close quarters a lot of the time and certainly your longest beat is about 10 or 15 minutes if you're very lucky.
The other day on my way to the web cam sail past I probably put in about a dozen tacks in going up the channel behind Belle Isle, but if I sail up there into a head wind it could be 60-80 tacks as the moored boats and the channel makes progress a little slow at times.
There is a Sun 2000 next to me on the moorings and the only thing I would say is the cockpit is a bit wide.
The best technique is to cross cleat the headsail sheet from the lee winch across the cockpit to the windward coaming cleat so that all your controls are to hand. If you don't have a simple jamming cleat think about fitting them.
I'd be suprised if you needed to winch the headsail except in stronger winds. I use my winch to provide friction and a turning point.
Twister_Ken
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Clew outhaul looks a bit tight.
Lakesailor
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You may be confused as I am using the unusual but effective Winchester-Rheims sail-setting technique.
This shot is taken, of course, at stage 2a.
This shot is taken, of course, at stage 2a.
stevebrassett
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Does your left-hand winch really turn anti-clockwise? That's unusual.
Lakesailor
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Yup. They are handed winches. That is really useful when single handed as you really don't have to think, you just pass the sheet outboard of the drum to start the coil.
Some winches can be reversed if the ratchet is double sided and you can turn over the pawls.
Some winches can be reversed if the ratchet is double sided and you can turn over the pawls.
geoffatstanpit
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On my Parker 21 I reckon that if I need to winch in the jib sheet I've got too much jib up! And to get to the winch I'm on the wrong side and the boat falls over.
Lakesailor
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that's my philosophy.
Of course you could lead the sheet around the leeward winch and use the winward winch to haul in. That would even work with winches that weren't handed.
Of course you could lead the sheet around the leeward winch and use the winward winch to haul in. That would even work with winches that weren't handed.
Nautorius
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Hi,
I have sailed our Jeanneau Sun Odysea 24.2 many times single handed. It is now called the Sun 2500 and has been de-speced. Yes you can do it even when you need to tack a lot such as on Windermere. One thing to remember is that these small Jeanneaus' handle like a big sailing dinghy so you need quick reflexes. The Genoa powers the boat and you need to be able to spill the wind quickly as they have a tendency to scare you to death in a gust.
Overall go for it as you will have fun!
Cheers
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I have sailed our Jeanneau Sun Odysea 24.2 many times single handed. It is now called the Sun 2500 and has been de-speced. Yes you can do it even when you need to tack a lot such as on Windermere. One thing to remember is that these small Jeanneaus' handle like a big sailing dinghy so you need quick reflexes. The Genoa powers the boat and you need to be able to spill the wind quickly as they have a tendency to scare you to death in a gust.
Overall go for it as you will have fun!
Cheers
Paul /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
kiddieduptoo
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I have a Sun 2000 which I generally effectively sail singlehanded as our two children monopolise my wife and don't give her much chance to get up on deck - they are too happy playing down below. I grew up racing dinghies, and treat ours as an overgrown dinghy.
Ours sails very easily singlehanded - the jib only needs one turn on the winch before putting the sheet into the clamcleat. The jib can generally be pulled all the way in by hand, and does not need a handle. The boat comes as standard with a short-ish tiller extension, and an adjustable / slightly longer one could be useful. The boat is quite weight sensitive, and needs a quick release of the mainsheet in gusts. It also pays to reef early - ours has been fitted with a stack-pack and it makes things much easier. She is very well balanced with one reef in and full jib. The jib furler can be operated easily from the cockpit with the excellent Spinlock jammer, she sails reasonably well with the jib partially rolled. Be aware, however, that the boat comes as standard with a fixed jib fairlead, which gives you a stange lead when the jib is partially rolled. Our boat had been fitted with adjustable jib tracks, and also a main halyard cleat that can be operated from the cockpit, which makes things easier. The boat is quite easily blown by the wind, so be aware when coming up to the mooring that she can lose way rapidly.
When tacking you need to go around the central mainsheet (which comes with a Harken jammer as standard), and I release the old jibsheet from the cleat as she goes through the wind. You can leave a single turn on each winch, so you just have to pull in the new sheet and push it into the cleat. This is the point at which a longer tiller extension would be useful, as I am tall and still find it a bit of a stretch.
Having the rope for the centreboard coming into the cockpit is also a big plus point - she can be sailed right up to the beach, drop the sails, pull up the centreboard and get out in less than knee depth water - the outboard is rarely needed.
We have been really pleased with ours - there is room in the cockpit for 4 adults with children to sit around the table, and have overnighted on her a few times since we got her at the beginning of last year.
The spinnaker is very powerful, and I am considering getting a spinnaker snuffer for use when shorthanded. As it stands I would not be keen to use the spi singlehanded unless I rig up a rudder preventer and know that the wind will be light.
Hope that this is of use.
Ours sails very easily singlehanded - the jib only needs one turn on the winch before putting the sheet into the clamcleat. The jib can generally be pulled all the way in by hand, and does not need a handle. The boat comes as standard with a short-ish tiller extension, and an adjustable / slightly longer one could be useful. The boat is quite weight sensitive, and needs a quick release of the mainsheet in gusts. It also pays to reef early - ours has been fitted with a stack-pack and it makes things much easier. She is very well balanced with one reef in and full jib. The jib furler can be operated easily from the cockpit with the excellent Spinlock jammer, she sails reasonably well with the jib partially rolled. Be aware, however, that the boat comes as standard with a fixed jib fairlead, which gives you a stange lead when the jib is partially rolled. Our boat had been fitted with adjustable jib tracks, and also a main halyard cleat that can be operated from the cockpit, which makes things easier. The boat is quite easily blown by the wind, so be aware when coming up to the mooring that she can lose way rapidly.
When tacking you need to go around the central mainsheet (which comes with a Harken jammer as standard), and I release the old jibsheet from the cleat as she goes through the wind. You can leave a single turn on each winch, so you just have to pull in the new sheet and push it into the cleat. This is the point at which a longer tiller extension would be useful, as I am tall and still find it a bit of a stretch.
Having the rope for the centreboard coming into the cockpit is also a big plus point - she can be sailed right up to the beach, drop the sails, pull up the centreboard and get out in less than knee depth water - the outboard is rarely needed.
We have been really pleased with ours - there is room in the cockpit for 4 adults with children to sit around the table, and have overnighted on her a few times since we got her at the beginning of last year.
The spinnaker is very powerful, and I am considering getting a spinnaker snuffer for use when shorthanded. As it stands I would not be keen to use the spi singlehanded unless I rig up a rudder preventer and know that the wind will be light.
Hope that this is of use.
swampy
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Thanks everybody for your comments. Test sail is Sunday and I look forward to using all this information particularly kiddieduptwo whose practical advice will be invaluable. A great help and just goes to show how great forums are for sharing information.
