Jeanneau Brio. Opinions please

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Hi all
I am thinking about getting a bigger boat around the 22' - 24' mark. I was looking at a Jeanneau Brio that was in nice condition. The only thing that is putting me of is the lack of an inboard. Any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance
 
Everything I can think of will have an outboard:

Etap, various lengths in that range with or without an i,

Jaguar, 22, 23 and 24.

First 22 and 24, may find a 24 with an inboard?

You may have more luck with a Hurley, different sort of boat to the above though.
 
Of course there are Westerlys,
Warwick 21 and other similad boats,
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But the GK24 may be of more interest to someone looking at a Brio?

Search Apolloduck using "sailing yacht" 22-24ft and diesel as fuel and a few other alternatives come up.
 
How about the one in my signature ? There's a website there to peruse.

That being said, I don't know of any good late model boats available apart from one in Ireland; due to software problems - am building a new site - I can't update details on this one, which is a shame as one of the boats there - ' Bright Star ' - turned out not to be as I'd been led to believe, anyone thinking of boats on the For Sale section please contact me; there is another available cheap but she requires work.
 
Aha, found the thread. May I say thanks to all the forum members who have contacted me offering excellent advice and to those who have told me about yachts they are selling. Much appreciated. I have narrowed it down to an Ecume de Mere (Thanks Pete) and also a nice Dufour 1800 that's for sale in the same marina where I am presently berthed. They are a wee bit more than had I budgeted for though I am not saying no to them. Hopefully I am back at work in early March when I'll be in a better position financially. If only I had never bought my son his car :D
Cheers
Bill
 
Nothing to do with the engine, but I used to race against a Brio out of Troon - she went VERY well, especially in a breeze, and was difficult to beat on handicap. Good luck with your search.
 
Seajet said:
You might listen to someone with decades of experience on similar boats, you might not; your choice chum ! :rolleyes:
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I do. It's you that doesn't! :rolleyes:

You seem to have a problem accepting that anyone else might have such experience, or engaging constructively with their views.

Your choice, as you say. However, if you are unable to distinguish, by the way you express them, your factual knowledge from your preferences and opinions, it may either mislead someone who is looking for guidance on something they know litttle about, or cause those who do know a bit about the subject to dismiss or undervalue the factual knowledge you undoubtedly have to offer because it's indistinguishable from your blind prejudices.

Either way, I think it's a shame.:(
 
Try reading my post again.

I express my opinions and try to pass information - which I thought was the point of these forums - based on experience, if you disagree that's your right.

Not ' blind prejudice ' on my part, how about you and what experience of similar boats are you are basing your insults on ?
 
LittleSister said:
I do. It's you that doesn't! :rolleyes:

You seem to have a problem accepting that anyone else might have such experience, or engaging constructively with their views.

Your choice, as you say. However, if you are unable to distinguish, by the way you express them, your factual knowledge from your preferences and opinions, it may either mislead someone who is looking for guidance on something they know litttle about, or cause those who do know a bit about the subject to dismiss or undervalue the factual knowledge you undoubtedly have to offer because it's indistinguishable from your blind prejudices.

Either way, I think it's a shame.:(
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I happen to know Seajet and I fully understand what he said in his post, he certainly was not misleading me. I am not a newbie as I have owned boats for the past 40 years, albeit power craft, dive boats & cabin cruisers. I admit that I'm not that clued up on sailing yachts, but learning everyday. What advice can you offer?
 
Seajet said:
Try reading my post again.

I express my opinions and try to pass information - which I thought was the point of these forums - based on experience, if you disagree that's your right.

Not ' blind prejudice ' on my part, how about you and what experience of similar boats are you are basing your insults on ?
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No insult intended, Andy, and apologies if it read that way.

I was criticising you, and trying to do it constructively. I am genuinely interested in your knowledge and opinions, and if you were less dogmatic and blinkered about these it would more fruitful for me and others to engage with you about them.

I am not getting into a pissing contest about experience, partly because it's tedious and my point was not that my experience was greater than yours (who cares?), but my point was you don't seem to recognise anyone else's experience (and opinions) but your own as valid.

What I can say about experience is that I am not unfamilar with boats in the 22 to 24 foot range (the OP's question), both with outboards and with inboards, and sufficiently so to know that it is ridiculous to claim, as you have, that the advantages lay entirely in favour of one or the other, or (as you said in another thread) that boats of this size are inherently unsuited to inboards.

In terms of length of experience, mine is long enough for me to be fully confident that I don't know it all, and never will. But part of the fun of boating is that it's useful and interesting to learn more and compare notes with others.

Happy sailing.
 
Hadenough said:
Don't pay for your son's car!
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Too late Hadenough :o It was worth it to see his face light up though. Anyway, no big deal now I suppose. I've noticed that nobody seems to be buying boats just now so hopefully the two yachts that I am considering will still be available in a few months time.
 
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bikerbill said:
What advice can you offer?
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I would say it depends largely on the sort of sailing you do - outboards generally more suited to day sailing, short trips, racing and more 'sporty' boats; inboards to longer distance cruising, especially in more out of the way places. (Of course there are plenty of counter examples either way.)

In my experience -

Outboards' advantages are cheaper to buy in the first place, easy to take away to fix(er) or for winter, weighs less, on some boats (not all) you can easily swing the outboard out of the water to eliminate prop drag or remove entangled lines. Disadvantages, thirsty on fuel (especially 2 strokes), can't usually carry fuel for more than a few hours motoring, if you're cruising it can be really tedious and time consuming finding petrol (often a long walk/taxi ride from the harbour), tend to be less reliable than an inboard diesel, all the weight is just where you don't want it - high up and right at the end of the boat, prop lifts out of the water in rough conditions or swell or if you stand on the bow, probably insufficient electrical power to keep batteries topped up for distance cruising, irritating noise, exhaust fumes especially if motor in well in cockpit, prop behind rudder limits close quarters manouverability if outboard can't be turned (due to well restriction, or inaccessibility of transom location), limited astern power if through-prop exhaust.

Inboard diesel - much lower fuel costs, fuel available almost every harbour (even remote ones), easy to carry enough fuel to motor for days rather than hours, tend to be very reliable, engine chuntering away under cabin sole much less irritating to my ears (though some installations can be very noisy/vibratory), weight is low down in centre of boat, prop stays submerged, ample (and usually easily increasable) electrical output. Downsides are high initial cost, usually have to get fixer to the boat if anything serious goes wrong, weight (though modern engines less so), a line or net wrapped round the prop needs a diver or drying out to access to remove, likelihood of some diesel smell inside cabin.

I love having the inboard diesel in our current boat - it's ultra reliable, eliminates a lot of the aggro I used to face doing longer distance cruises with an outboard. Never have to worry about flattening the battery. We were able to motor back from Brittany to Devon (21 hours IIRC) when we didn't have wind to sail, and may well have had enough fuel to turn round and go back again. Except when on long cruises the fuel cost is almost negligible - I can't remember when I last topped up the tank (probably when we got back from a 400 mile trip in August). We have never had a rope round the prop (long keel helps in that respect), and have only once ever had to get someone to fix the engine. (An unreliable inboard engine on its last legs would be a nightmare.) The weight isn't an issue as the boat is designed to have an inboard, and it constitutes less than 4% of the boats displacement.

I might well have another boat with an outboard sometime in the future, particularly if I were to change the sort of sailing I do, so I'm not agin' 'em.

Hope that gives you some ideas. Good luck in your search for a suitable boat.
 
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