Jaguar 22 Barn/Farm find.

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Whilst looking for a new/old boat ( I was to look at a wooden yacht last Sunday but seller postponed) a friend took me up to a local farmyard where he had spotted a possibility. It was in a pretty sad state having lain there for a few years without being touched. Luckily only the outboard bracket has been stolen. I took photos to ask on here if anybody recognised the make but got lucky when I googled the boats name and came up with a reference to a lapsed Apollo Duck ad which I couldn't open. Now the problem is that she has been dumped on an old trailer which doesn't suit or fit and I am nearly sure doesn't go with the boat anyway. Being a drop keel boat how (providing I can trace the owner and get an acceptable price from him) do I shift it/lift it and onto what? In my imagination I can see a wooden cradle doing the job then put on a flatbed trailer,any suggestions. I tried tracing the owner through the owners website but no luck. Depth sounder and log still fitted (buggered by now I imagine) and a curious Royal Navy like pennant hanging from the masthead.
 
ferrispeterchris said:
Whilst looking for a new/old boat ( I was to look at a wooden yacht last Sunday but seller postponed) a friend took me up to a local farmyard where he had spotted a possibility. It was in a pretty sad state having lain there for a few years without being touched. Luckily only the outboard bracket has been stolen. I took photos to ask on here if anybody recognised the make but got lucky when I googled the boats name and came up with a reference to a lapsed Apollo Duck ad which I couldn't open. Now the problem is that she has been dumped on an old trailer which doesn't suit or fit and I am nearly sure doesn't go with the boat anyway. Being a drop keel boat how (providing I can trace the owner and get an acceptable price from him) do I shift it/lift it and onto what? In my imagination I can see a wooden cradle doing the job then put on a flatbed trailer,any suggestions. I tried tracing the owner through the owners website but no luck. Depth sounder and log still fitted (buggered by now I imagine) and a curious Royal Navy like pennant hanging from the masthead.
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If you really want a Jaguar 22, pm me, there is a good one in Keyhaven @ sensible price, ready to sail.
 
It often seems to be a great disappointment to those who spend lots of money on their boats that they never get it back when it comes to the time to sell up. The flipside of that coin, however, is that its much better value to buy a well equipped and maintained boat than it is to buy a wreck with a view to doing it up. You'll ultimately spend more money than if you'd bought a top spec one in the first place.
 
YachtAllegro said:
It often seems to be a great disappointment to those who spend lots of money on their boats that they never get it back when it comes to the time to sell up. The flipside of that coin, however, is that its much better value to buy a well equipped and maintained boat than it is to buy a wreck with a view to doing it up. You'll ultimately spend more money than if you'd bought a top spec one in the first place.
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Doing up a wreck, or just a scruffy one, can be hugely rewarding ... as long as you don't expect to make money on it, or come anywhere near break even.
 
Suggest you read the series of articles in PBO on restoring a barn find Snapdragon of similar size over the last 3 years or so. Bear in mind that although the team did the grafting themselves they had an awful lot of help from various professionals and generous neighbours who provided premises.

Then have a double scotch and decide if it is for you!
 
Jaguar 22s are cheap as chips. There was one (a bit scruffy) on the water with a trailer available recently on Windermere for not much more than £1500.
i was wondering, and was sure an offer below £1K would get it. But really, it's an awful lot of work.
A set of sails is going to be a grand. A secondhand outboard will be £400, a suitable and roadworthy trailer will be £400. Boats just run away with money.
 
Check carefully.

I have mentioned it here before but it's worth saying again for ferrispeterchris, I have seen two Jaguar 22 lift keel models on shore, both had the stub of the keel up inside a deep concave hollow in the underside of the hull; the hull grp had sagged around the keel like pudding.

Possibly trestle type hull supports would help while on shore but it wouldn't seem to say a lot for the build.
 
Lakesailor said:
Jaguar 22s are cheap as chips. There was one (a bit scruffy) on the water with a trailer available recently on Windermere for not much more than £1500.
i was wondering, and was sure an offer below £1K would get it. But really, it's an awful lot of work.
A set of sails is going to be a grand. A secondhand outboard will be £400, a suitable and roadworthy trailer will be £400. Boats just run away with money.
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See where the OP is based. May not have quite the choice at this end of the market as we do over our side.
 
Good point. However he could come across here and buy a cheap but in-commission boat and trail it home.
Not saying don't do it, but you need to know that you are going to spend a lot of time and probably money before getting around to sailing. If you enjoy the work that's fine.
But if it's a way to get afloat cheaply you could be disappointed.
 
The Jaguar 22 is a UK built version of the Catalina 22 - I have the Aussie built 25 ft version which has the same swing keel.
The boat should never be supported on the keel. The hull should be supported on rollers or bunks and the keel then lowered slightly to rest on a cross member on the trailer. At the very least I would think the keel will need a new cable, possibly a winch and maybe a new pivot pin and the castings that support it. Also the cable passes over a turning ball which wears and then through a piece of rubber exhaust tube which is fixed onto a part of the hull moulding called a volcano with two hose clips. If this tube comes off or leaks the boat will sink!
All this stuff is available from Catalina Direct in the U.S. Have a look at www.catalinadirect.com
Good luck if you decide to go ahead.
Sailorbaz
 
I used to have a Jag 22, which inevitably required a fair bit of work, the emptying of a couple of wallets and the gaining of grey hairs....However, I found kitting the boat out, checking over all the bits that you really don't want to check over in case you find something you don't like stands you in good stead for future over ambitious projects. And at least once you've finished prodding around you know the boat will be pretty seaworthy. Here's a link to an old blog of mine about removing the keel and other bits and bobs.

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Just a quick update. Studied the boat again,comes complete with mast,boom, sails, radio,log,depth sounder, battery which is probably shagged and even gas cylinder and lifejackets in locker! It is filthy,mainly green stuff but the gel coat is good. The last job done to the boat before it was abandoned was fitting a new keel winch and cable. Got it for £600 (there was even a new 4stroke engine on the back but the farmer had the sense to take it off, I will make an offer for it. Have to get a trailer organised,but no rush as the farmer is letting me use his water and leccy to power hose it. There must have been two to three feet of water inside which we pumped out,goung down now to start the cleanup. Someone has nicked the o/b bracket though. How do I check the pin on the swing keel? I have this idea of reversing the trailer over an inspection pit th check it out, saves hoisting it.
 
Congratulations good barn find. I had a Jag 22 back in the 80s. Sailed the snot out of it. Great little boat. Troon to Stornoway and back one summer. Pula to Albania and back the next.

Inspecting the keel pivot pin properly by removing it is a major job. Thousands of Cat/Jag 22s sold only a handful of keels have departed.

On mine I raised the hull slightly off the trailer with a crane and was able to establish that there was a small amount of play maybe an 1/8th of an inch. I was sufficiently reassured to go sailing.

Get everything out and pressure wash the sucker. I had a 8 hp 2 st on mine never needed more than half throttle.

If you decide you need a trailer a 4 wheel one was supposed to be the way to go when I did my research, mine came with a 2 wheel trailer and I just that used it towing with a Citroen CX 2 litre. Covered thousands of miles.
 
Don't fully understand keel. Can I lift anywhere under the keel or is it a no no? Can anyone show me a diagram? As I said I am thinking of dropping it over a pit. Ta, Peter. Ps, chuffed with my buy!
 
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