jaguar 21

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Can anyone give me any information on jaguar 21 lift keel trailer sailers, I am looking to change my snapdragon 21 for something that will get nearer the wind, but would still like to have confidence in stability and seakeeping abilities. any info on what to lookout for ( i assume keel lifting strap will figure highly) better still anyone who can send me some pictures or a link to some good info

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My guess is that the Jaguar 21 (and all its different named brothers) are a lot lighter than what you have. That will mean poorer performance to windward in rough water as like my TS every wave seems to stop the boat. However being lighter less sail will serve very well and as you reckon it will go to windward very well in flatter water. olewill
 
My pandora is for sale 21'10"
good sea keeping and pointing abillity
van de stadt design good racing boats but deffinatly not a seagoing caravan by any stretch of the imagination
currently on windermere
 
The web link that Slinky Spring gave is the old unmaintained web site. The new site is here and there is a Message board . I owned a Jaguar 21 for 3 years, a great boat but is more comfortable in lighter weather. Although saying that I did sail it in a force 6-7 on more than one occasion. As long as you reef early enough it's no problem. The main reason for getting rid of my one was the lack of space below. The keel case is quite intrusive in the cabin. There biggest fault is the use of mild steel in the original construction of the keel roller brackets. Much better if you can find one which has been refurbished using stainless steel. The winch strap is known to snap with possible disastrous consequences. It can however be easily and cheaply replaced. The difficult part can be the attachment to the keel, mild steel again. There are some good articles on the Jaguar site about the keel.
 
Apart from the keel problems that some boats suffer with I don't think there is anything that you need to look out for that is different to any other boat. They tend to vary in condition, hardly surprising considering that some have been around since the late 70s. Production ended in the early 90's. Production supposedly did resume as the Jaguar 215, but the only one I have ever heard of is the prototype mentioned on the web site. There are lots of pictures in the photo gallery on the Yahoo Message board. There are still pictures of my old boat Sessa. There are no records of boat numbers and age and a lot of people guess or exaggerate the age of their boats when selling. As a guide the earliest boats had grab handles along the cabin roof. About 1984/85 a stainless tabernacle was fitted and the grab handles dropped. In your original question you asked about stability. My boat was on a drying mooring with the keel wound up. It was possible to climb aboard from the dinghy alongside without the boat tipping too much. Obviously with the 500lb keel lowered it is far more stable.
 
Hi,
I had a Jaguar 21 for 7 years and sail it around the North of Scotland. I found it a suprisingly good sea boat and very quick for it's size, especially to windward.
Things to look out for:
Worn bushes on the rudders stock, easy to fix
Fatigue cracks on the a'lly rudders stock, easy to fix
Damage around the base of the keel box caused by grounding at speed, difficult to see because of the internal moulding and difficult to fix.
Poor wiring ... basic domestic cable, prone to corrosion, easy to fix.
Cover plate, rubber gasket on bottom of the boat around the exit to the keel, easy to fix but make sure the self tapping screws don't go through the hull ... they'll leak eventually.
But don't be put off, these boats give some very good sailing for very little money and you can store them in your garden over the winter.
 
I have had a look at the photos of "Sessa" nice! looks perfect for what I am looking for. If i got one she would be kept on a fore and aft trot mooring and I think the best thing would be to leave the keel down but not locked, present boat occasionally grounds( bilge keels 800mm below water line) at low water springs but still stands on the mud. I would expect that with the lifting keel this would not pose a problem as it would just retract as the boat lowered in the water. The only doubt that I have is that in case the lifting strap snarled in any way, What do you think?
 
thanks for the reply very usefull particullaly the info about damage to the keel box due to grounding. I have looked at the web site mentioned in other posts and see that it seems common to replace the mild steel roller units on the keel assemblies, do you know if there are replacement parts readily available or would it be something that would require fabricating as a one off? once again thanks for the replys, I am still not put off sounds like the ideal boat for me for quick evening sails in fairish weather around the bay and perhaps being a bit quicker and higher pointing it may extend my range a bit.

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