Jaguar 21 - Towing weight

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Dunwerkin

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Hi All - new on here and have done a good search around but have come up blankish on advice.

One piece of information always missing from any reviews or tests of Trailer Sailers is an estimate of the all up weight of the boat and trailer. Obviously it isn't a definite value, depending on the trailer etc. but some estimate would be helpful for those trying to decide whether their tow vehicle is up to the job. Even owner clubs don't seem to post much advice.

My immediate interest is in the Jag 21. Is there any other TS's I should consider at similar price. Please bear in mind my age and user name when making suggestions. I am interested in stability as well since I am likely to have grandchildren as crew.

Any advice greatly welcomed.
 
Jaguar Yacht usedto be made up the road from me, wel over the bridge to Canvey.
They now go under the name CYB, some of the old guys are still there I think, try 01268 696094.
 
You don't say what your budget is but the last Jag 21 I saw for sale was £7000, I can't remember if it was on a trailer.

The owners site says they weigh 1134Kg which is 100Kg more than my Copland Harrier, guessing I would think you are looking at 1800kg minimum, probably nearer 2Te.

If it's 1800Kg you could use a Ford Galaxy to tow it, you are looking at 4x4 if it's much more.

I know someone with an Etap 22i (975Kg) for sale but it's more like £10,000, good trail sailer though and nearly as pretty as a Jag 21.

HTH
 
essexboy said:
Jaguar Yacht usedto be made up the road from me, wel over the bridge to Canvey.
They now go under the name CYB, some of the old guys are still there I think, try 01268 696094.
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Thanks Essexboy - I will give them a call. BUT it is all sounding a little too heavy.
 
aquaplane said:
You don't say what your budget is but the last Jag 21 I saw for sale was £7000, I can't remember if it was on a trailer.

The owners site says they weigh 1134Kg which is 100Kg more than my Copland Harrier, guessing I would think you are looking at 1800kg minimum, probably nearer 2Te.

If it's 1800Kg you could use a Ford Galaxy to tow it, you are looking at 4x4 if it's much more.

I know someone with an Etap 22i (975Kg) for sale but it's more like £10,000, good trail sailer though and nearly as pretty as a Jag 21.

HTH
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Thanks Aquaplane.

Sadly I think I will have to look smaller, and therefore lighter (both boat and trailer). I drive a Honda Accord Tourer 2.2 diesel. The book says Max towing weight (trailer with brakes) - 1500 kg. The kerb weight is 1602 kg which makes the 85% advised max towing weight around 1360 kg. I towed caravans years ago up to my kerb weight without too much drama (very careful), but would like to make the towing relaxed this time.

Perhaps I will have to buy another GP14 dinghy - though even they seem to get 50 kg heavier for every decade I age!!!!!!
 
Loads of trailer sailers would be do-able with your car. Purpose built trailers are normally lighter than general ones. My Seahawk trailer is 195 kgs and the Seahawk 17 is 745 kgs. Plus 18 kgs for a small outboard and whatever other kit you carry on board, it can't come to more than 1200kgs, surely?

This list of small boats (in lbs, not kgs) shows you plenty of scope.
This list of Trailer Sailors shows the range. It's not exhaustive though.
 
I had loads of fun in my First 18, and towed it very comfortably behind my Pug 406 110HDi estate. They seem to be £3000 to £4000 ish quid but seem to sell fast, unless overpriced or a complete shed.
A Swift 18 is similar sized and priced.
Gem Micro 18's may be stripped out for racing and need cruising kit adding.
Silouette.
Leisure 17

there are loads of options.

Check out the trailer as much as the boat.
 
As a general note, I'd be a bit wary of going up close to the maximum recommended towing weight by the manufacturer. It's worth leaving a fair bit in hand for launching and recovering on steep slipways - unless you're sure you're never going to have to do this!

We had an Evolution 22 many years ago, and although it was (just!) within the maximum towing weight of the car I had at the time, I ended up buying an old Landrover because of traction, ground clearance and clutch longevity problems when launching and recovering!
 
Thanks all - very helpful. It does look as though I will be looking for an 17/18 foot boat if I want to truly Trailer-sail rather than just get the boat to and fro every now and then. I started looking at the Jag 21 as I said and then have looked at Hunter Medina 20 - lighter but not light enough. Etap 20 - a bit lighter but still.......

I guess the Micro based boats are a balance between larger cockpit and smaller cabin (Gem, Challeger etc.) and better accommodation and less room to sit outside (swift 18 etc.)

Thanks again everyone - I will keep looking.
 
Dunwerkin said:
I guess the Micro based boats are a balance between larger cockpit and smaller cabin (Gem, Challeger etc.) and better accommodation and less room to sit outside (swift 18 etc.)
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Micro based boats are not going to suit you as you say
I am interested in stability as well since I am likely to have grandchildren as crew.
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There's a cracking Seahawk for sale in N Yorks See here
The one below it is cheap, but the trailer doesn't have brakes etc etc.
 
Thanks Lakesailor - The seahawk certainly has a reasonable cockpit for daysailing, but perhaps a little bit old fashioned looking really. I hope your boat isn't methane powered by the way!!

I am getting to be like my wife (well it is 42 years now) - they never make what she wants, shoes, clothes etc. etc. I suppose I am getting the same with this idea of a daysailer/weekender. I charter bigger boats for bigger sailing and just thought a relatively cheap Trailer-Sailer would be nice. Given that my other-half complains about sleeping in a 45 footer - the day sailing aspect has to be the most important.

I think I will have to come to terms with the fact that you can't have an exciting day sail and real stability - can you??
 
Don't see why not. The Seahawk is very stable, not like these Ben 211s that fall over if the wind changes.:D
The Sailfish is a more contemporary looking boat, but I find the charm of my boat is it's looks. (Some Sailfish can be a bit leaky as well)

It's just there so many factors to combine. Decent stability, roomy cockpit, ease of launch and recovery, ease of stepping the mast. Most Seahawks have a pivoted mast in a binnacle which makes it a simple job. Some small yachts have a loose foot in a shoe which makes it very tricky on your own. Most masts could be converted to binnacle stepping, but on an older boat how much do you spend?

Had a look at a Manta 19?
 
Yes I have sailed a Manta 19 - bilge keel version though. A friend of mine has one. From memory it falls right in the middle i.e. not much cockpit and not much cabin. The Seahawk looks a better day sailing option - cheaper too. I agree that the Seahawk has an old-world charm about it - bit like myself really.
 
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