Is this the forum for fishing question?

[Neil]

The lady telling me this, she worked for the EU, said the big problem was the Irish anglers, who refused any cooperation. Millions of anglers in the EU.

What was the issue with the Irish anglers refusing co-operation? We've had strict bass rules here for decades, 2 bag limit, size limit and closed season. No commercial bass fishery allowed, at all. And you never know when a fisheries guy will turn up at the known marks

 

[Neil]

On average, anglers spent over £1,000 per year on their sport, resulting in a total economic impact of sea angling of between 1.5 and 2 billion pounds.

That's sea angling without any reference to fresh water fishing.
Compare that with commercial fishing.....

The lesson was well learned from the US striped bass fishery. It always pained me to see big sea bass on the menu of every corner cafe (it seems) in Portugal

 

[Neil]

That's sea angling without any reference to fresh water fishing.
Compare that with commercial fishing.....

Here a salmon licence costs €100 a year. A rod one day a week for the season on the Slaney is €1200. A day on the Blackwater is €100. Add to the

 

[fisherman]

What was the issue with the Irish anglers refusing co-operation? We've had strict bass rules here for decades, 2 bag limit, size limit and closed season. No commercial bass fishery allowed, at all. And you never know when a fisheries guy will turn up at the known marks

Only say, that's what she said. That was a few years ago, maybe 2012, and she was referring to when it was relised that anglers were affecting things..

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Yes, the same food that brings Tuna, possibly....lack of mackerel leaves a gap to be filled. In 1974 we used to go out every day to a shoal maybe two miles x a half mile x 90ft deep, about 12 nm SE of Falmouth. 176 boats there one day. Thousands of tons feeding on tons of something smaller.

The mackerel shoals follow the shoals of sandeels. In past summers I used to observe large quantities of them in the marina (Malahide), This year there have been very few.

 

[fisherman]

The mackerel shoals follow the shoals of sandeels. In past summers I used to observe large quantities of them in the marina (Malahide), This year there have been very few.

Yes, they do, but not sure they were in 250ft of water well offshore. Sandeels have suffered from industrial fishing as did mackerel.
Call for Evidence on future management of Sandeels and Norway pout - Defra - Citizen Space

 

[salar]

And angling is a big business, for the kit and the days out on a boat.
Quote from here:
Sea angling contributes over £1.5bn to UK economy - Cefas (Centre for Environment, Fisheries and Aquaculture Science)
Around 800,000 or 1.6% of UK adults went sea angling at least once each year, fishing for a total of 7 million days. On average, anglers spent over £1,000 per year on their sport, resulting in a total economic impact of sea angling of between 1.5 and 2 billion pounds.

That's sea angling without any reference to fresh water fishing.
Compare that with commercial fishing.....

Interesting...the latest stats on the UK commercial sector value commercial revenues at only £831 million. The entire sector employs 11,000 fishermen which is the same as WH Smith. Puts it into perspective.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Yes, they do, but not sure they were in 250ft of water well offshore. Sandeels have suffered from industrial fishing as did mackerel.
Call for Evidence on future management of Sandeels and Norway pout - Defra - Citizen Space

The mackerel feed on the sandeel fry, which hatch out in mid-Spring and drift about on the currents, near the surface, where they are also prey to birds, such as Gannets and Puffins. The survivors head for intertidal zones at the beginning of Autumn, when they bury themselves in the seabed.

 

[jdc]

The two numbers do not compare like with like. For recreational angling it's counting all that the end user spends, including B&Bs and trips etc. (And is probably an overestimate - I certainly don't spend £1000 per year, maybe £100 and I suspect it's less than that).

For the commercial sector it's only counting the wholesale price of fish. Everything else down the chain counting as zero: chippies - no value, fancy restaurants zero value, the supermarket fish counter zero value. Direct supply to pubs or shops probably not included either.

Not like for like I think.