Gludy
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
I would say that those figures are very encouraging for cat builders.
I would say that those figures are very encouraging for cat builders.
Is this really that ugly? Because it makes a lot of sense...
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DoubleVision
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
I`m sorry guys but I think the guy who designed that had a very bad attack of indigestion at the time. As my daughter would say its a "minger". I know its roomy, economical and practical but I dont work as hard as I do to do practical and economy at the weekends. At the risk of being shot many
times below the water line I Still have my dreams of a Super hawk 48
Hand on hearts guys--what would you rather have for similar money??
I`m sorry guys but I think the guy who designed that had a very bad attack of indigestion at the time. As my daughter would say its a "minger". I know its roomy, economical and practical but I dont work as hard as I do to do practical and economy at the weekends. At the risk of being shot many
times below the water line I Still have my dreams of a Super hawk 48
Hand on hearts guys--what would you rather have for similar money??
whisper
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
Well as I couldn't afford the fuel or medallions the Super Hawk would need , it would have to be the Cat, even though it's ugly as sin. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Well as I couldn't afford the fuel or medallions the Super Hawk would need , it would have to be the Cat, even though it's ugly as sin. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Nautorius
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
I would prefer a boat I could sleep on rather than a speedboat so I will stick to the Cat! The Hawk range are only good as day boats so you need a pad in the sun to sleep in /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I would prefer a boat I could sleep on rather than a speedboat so I will stick to the Cat! The Hawk range are only good as day boats so you need a pad in the sun to sleep in /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
Hi Guvnor, as I've said on here before, I have a raggie cat. as well as my small mobo. Generally, sailing cats need more buoyancy in the bows to reduce any tendency to pitchpole (stick bows in a wave when stern will want to overtake!). This is usually pushing things a bit far and my cruising cat has never shown any urge to do that but racing ones might push their luck. I think the straight up (plumb) bows are partly for buoyancy and might also be partly to maximise accommodation space in what are pretty narrow hulls.
Cats are really great for liveaboards!!
Martin T
Hi Guvnor, as I've said on here before, I have a raggie cat. as well as my small mobo. Generally, sailing cats need more buoyancy in the bows to reduce any tendency to pitchpole (stick bows in a wave when stern will want to overtake!). This is usually pushing things a bit far and my cruising cat has never shown any urge to do that but racing ones might push their luck. I think the straight up (plumb) bows are partly for buoyancy and might also be partly to maximise accommodation space in what are pretty narrow hulls.
Cats are really great for liveaboards!!
Martin T
Andrew_Fanner
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
Cat would be fine, but too many marinas see "cat" as meaning "double mooring fees". I'd be interested, but as the only option is new then the idea falls by the wayside.
Unless someone wants to buy me one
Cat would be fine, but too many marinas see "cat" as meaning "double mooring fees". I'd be interested, but as the only option is new then the idea falls by the wayside.
Unless someone wants to buy me one
capnjack
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I think they look great and certainly have plenty of room.
Only thing is I doubt their sea-keeping abilities and here are my reasons. Tried one out in Greece a few years ago. The bows tend to cut through rather than lift, smooth in a calm sea but not so good in a moderate. The freeboards tend to be more than mono hulls to compensate, but catch a large wave and you feel the thump on the bridge between the hulls. Also the twin hulls seem to rock more than a mono hull, the bouyancy is fine in a calm or smooth sea, but in awkward wave lengths the sea-keeping is not as good, IMHO.
Always my best
Cap'n Jack
Only thing is I doubt their sea-keeping abilities and here are my reasons. Tried one out in Greece a few years ago. The bows tend to cut through rather than lift, smooth in a calm sea but not so good in a moderate. The freeboards tend to be more than mono hulls to compensate, but catch a large wave and you feel the thump on the bridge between the hulls. Also the twin hulls seem to rock more than a mono hull, the bouyancy is fine in a calm or smooth sea, but in awkward wave lengths the sea-keeping is not as good, IMHO.
Always my best
Cap'n Jack
RogerRat
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Sorry, not for me, stick a cabin on little twin hulls and your have a recipe for ugly slammers. The flybridge above is no bigger than you'll find on a 30' Jenneau! Plus double mooring fees, no thanks.
Liked the big one though. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
My view is strictly personal of course. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Sorry, not for me, stick a cabin on little twin hulls and your have a recipe for ugly slammers. The flybridge above is no bigger than you'll find on a 30' Jenneau! Plus double mooring fees, no thanks.
Liked the big one though. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
My view is strictly personal of course. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
bigwow
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Re: Is this really that ugly? No! Yes, it does makes a lot of sense!
Theres no box for "I've gone that way already"
Theres no box for "I've gone that way already"
oceanfroggie
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Plus three cabins
[/ QUOTE ]But Dog box sized except for saloon
<ul type="square">[*]Mooring Access Limited
[*]Mooring Fees High
[*]Cramped Sleeping Accomodation
[*]No Island Berths
[*]Dark inside below deck
[*]Cumbersome to maneavour
[*]Flybridge v's Uk Coastal Climate?
[*]Shape
[*]Depreciation /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif 2nd hand value + tiny market size
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Plus three cabins
[/ QUOTE ]But Dog box sized except for saloon
<ul type="square">[*]Mooring Access Limited
[*]Mooring Fees High
[*]Cramped Sleeping Accomodation
[*]No Island Berths
[*]Dark inside below deck
[*]Cumbersome to maneavour
[*]Flybridge v's Uk Coastal Climate?
[*]Shape
[*]Depreciation /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif 2nd hand value + tiny market size
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Whitelighter
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Plus three cabins
[/ QUOTE ]But Dog box sized except for saloon
<ul type="square">[*]Mooring Access Limited
[*]Mooring Fees High <span style="color:blue"> Not always, only a 13' beam. Most will be 50% more at worst </span>
[*]Cramped Sleeping Accomodation <span style="color:blue"> - No worse than a boat of comparible size </span>
[*]No Island Berths <span style="color:blue"> - Show me a 35 footer that has proper island berths </span>
[*]Dark inside below deck
[*]Cumbersome to maneavour <span style="color:blue"> - On the contrary, the further the props are from the centre line, the more rotational push they give. If anything, I would argue it is probably easier </span>
[*]Flybridge v's Uk Coastal Climate? <span style="color:blue"> - don't understand your point at all here. Two helms, up top when its sunny, below when its cold - just like all the other very popular flybridge models sold </span>
[*]Shape <span style="color:blue"> - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that </span>
[*]Depreciation /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif 2nd hand value + tiny market size <span style="color:blue"> - you try finding one on the used market for much less than they were new. </span>
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Plus
<ul type="square">[*]Ability to travel for miles Comfortably at 8-9 knts, or get there quickly at 20knts
[*]Better at anchor - less need for pricey marinas
[*]1/2's your need for diesel[/list]
No that I own one, or am about to buy one. Just offering a difeent perspective.
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Plus three cabins
[/ QUOTE ]But Dog box sized except for saloon
<ul type="square">[*]Mooring Access Limited
[*]Mooring Fees High <span style="color:blue"> Not always, only a 13' beam. Most will be 50% more at worst </span>
[*]Cramped Sleeping Accomodation <span style="color:blue"> - No worse than a boat of comparible size </span>
[*]No Island Berths <span style="color:blue"> - Show me a 35 footer that has proper island berths </span>
[*]Dark inside below deck
[*]Cumbersome to maneavour <span style="color:blue"> - On the contrary, the further the props are from the centre line, the more rotational push they give. If anything, I would argue it is probably easier </span>
[*]Flybridge v's Uk Coastal Climate? <span style="color:blue"> - don't understand your point at all here. Two helms, up top when its sunny, below when its cold - just like all the other very popular flybridge models sold </span>
[*]Shape <span style="color:blue"> - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that </span>
[*]Depreciation /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif 2nd hand value + tiny market size <span style="color:blue"> - you try finding one on the used market for much less than they were new. </span>
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Plus
<ul type="square">[*]Ability to travel for miles Comfortably at 8-9 knts, or get there quickly at 20knts
[*]Better at anchor - less need for pricey marinas
[*]1/2's your need for diesel[/list]
No that I own one, or am about to buy one. Just offering a difeent perspective.
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Thanks Jezbanks, you put it much better than I would have done. Can only add as confirmation that I will put my cat with a diesel in each stern quarter into any tight berth in any wind a damn sight more easily than I can with my mobo with a sterndrive and thruster. In fact, my cat will turn around in its own length in a marina channel and come straight back out again if it were necessary.
Re other comments, dark below? I don't think so. Cat saloons are usually same height as a wheelhouse. Our sleeping cabin windows (not portlights!) are on the same level.
They can be horrible in a big cross sea at slow speeds, though...
Time for some kip, work tomorrow.
Martin T
Re other comments, dark below? I don't think so. Cat saloons are usually same height as a wheelhouse. Our sleeping cabin windows (not portlights!) are on the same level.
They can be horrible in a big cross sea at slow speeds, though...
Time for some kip, work tomorrow.
Martin T
SeadogUSA
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I have always had a liking for cats, but I could do away with the flybridge with no problems.
oceanfroggie
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Sure I get the point but for example to 'show' you 35 footers that have full island berths include Princess 35, Birchwood, Broom, Haines, Sherline but to name a few. These 35fters are palatial inside compared to a 13ft beam mocat which has the big open saloon but has cramped 'coffin' sized berth cabins. The speed efficiency thing I fully understand, but the same applies to bicycles v's cars, I prefer the space and comfort of a 4x4 and happy to pay the extra fuel costs. Same for a boat, if I going to spend time cruising on it then it must be comfy and spacious inside, fuel burn is a secondary concern. I'd rather limit our cruising to only 100hrs a year in comfort instead of 200hrs with less living space. (ie quality diesel time /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif )
Mooring is still a problem because most cats big enough to have acceptable below deck accomodation are massive at 25ft+ beam and 50-60ft length. eg: Now your talking but too big and too expensive. Essentially I still think small mocats don't make sense compared to the value and comfort of 35-40ft mono hulls.
Mooring is still a problem because most cats big enough to have acceptable below deck accomodation are massive at 25ft+ beam and 50-60ft length. eg: Now your talking but too big and too expensive. Essentially I still think small mocats don't make sense compared to the value and comfort of 35-40ft mono hulls.
ccscott49
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IMHO ugly as sin!
Nautorius
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Nick_H
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There was a British built 60+ foot power catamaran on the outer pontoons at Essex Marina when we were there for a few months in early 2004. I seem to remember that looked OK and had a high standard of fit out, although I never actually went on it. Anyone know what boat it was? If you also know the owner he owes me a beer for risking life and limb at 3 am in a storm to protect his boat when all the fenders rode up onto the pontoon