Is sailing for old gits, really?

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i am musing about this from zefender's thread.

A v noticeable thing for a newbie outsider is (ok, was) the incredible concentration on saftey issues. Yes, safety is important but sheesh, death, safety briefings, lifejackets liferafts more liferafts radios moe radios flares charts more charts passage plans...this focus on safety transcends everthing, and seems as much a fiunction of doctor surgeries being full of old people who just don't wantto die,and the older one gets the more this preoccupation can fill the time. Perhaps because sailing is a bit expensive, it is naturally taught etc by older people, hence the enormous focus on safety, maybe...

Compare this with skiing, say, which is seen as much younger hobby, even though some really old people ski. Out on a mountain even in a blizzard, the main thing is lessons in style and and going really fast down mountains. You're "advanced" only if you go very fast. Falling over is generaly only seen as bad cos you'll look silly, not cos of the likely broken legs. Skimags don't do articles on dragging mates down mountains or getting safely back to the hotel before dark or ooer going to stange ski resort so here 's a handy chart, and yet a meeting with a doctor/hospital is far more common than when sailing. Nor do ski mags compare handiness of hospitals or healthcare when choosing a ski area. It's all because skiing is for young people and young people justdon't dwell so much on death.

There's another issue here: lots of the boating safety procedures and precautions seem rather too handily attractive/possible for older people. Giving sermons about safety, being skipper and boss, buying loads of gear. Yet quite a few boaty tragedies have been a result of being mown down by a ship. How about articles like "Are you bit bit too much of a shortsighted deaf lugs old git to be skipper and oughta pack it in, hm?" ...ok - good point, Editor - put it Big Letters on the front cover so the half-blind old gimmers will at least be able read it...
 
Re: How to make sailing seem less oldish gittish

Intriguing use of the word "gimmer".

Down in Zummerset, we says that of a breeding ewe with a full mouth (all her teeth).
 
Re: How to make sailing seem less oldish gittish

Indeed.

It's very common these days to see cyclists (including those who can cycle quite er well) wearing safety helmets. But it's very, very rare to see it on the ski slopes, unless it's a teenie weenie thing sking through your legs down the slope. Skiing is cool and youngish but not as cool and youngish as snowboarding of course (where they also don't wear helmets as a rule). Dinghy sailing is cooler than bigger boats and clothing and gear more fashion related, though less so than surfing natch. Bigger boat clothing though is erm fogeyish. So yes, sailing is indeed for old gits who need protecting from themselves, hence the nutty safety obsession.Nothing to do with the number of suppliers (advertisers) of safety products though I hope.
 
Re: How to make sailing seem less oldish gittish

There's another issue here: lots of the boating safety procedures and precautions seem rather too handily attractive/possible for older people. Giving sermons about safety, being skipper and boss, buying loads of gear. Yet quite a few boaty tragedies have been a result of being mown down by a ship. How about articles like "Are you bit bit too much of a shortsighted deaf lugs old git to be skipper and oughta pack it in, hm?" ...ok - good point, Editor - put it Big Letters on the front cover so the half-blind old gimmers will at least be able read it...
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Mind you, you're all on a one-way street
- so don't knock your seniors - at least we got there!
 
I sold my previous boat to a young man (early 20s) who had been left some money by his grandmother.
My 2 boys, then late teens, were appalled that a young person would want a boat.
They thought sailing was for old people. I thought the young man who bought my boat was very lucky.
He was charming too.
 
Well, to go sailing all you need to do is to buy a boat, get in it and off you go, much simpler than skiing, really, where you need lessons before you start or you fall over. When I was young I never knew about all the extra essentials you need like gps and epirb and radar and ais and combination chartplotter-fishfinder, without which it would be unsafe to set off. I just went out in a boat and learned how to sail, and enjoyed myself. Safety gear is usually the most expensive stuff, and none of it is necessary, unless you sink or fall overboard.
My policy is not to sink or fall overboard, and it's worked so far (except in the tender once, but that's not important right now). But now I'm getting oldish and probably gittish, does that mean I ought to be looking at liferafts and epirbs?
 
I would suggest that 'zefender' go and eavesdrop on a Skippers' Briefing for one of the 'big' shorthanded races, like the RBR or Transat.

A perceptive onlooker will notice that more than half of the entrants are over 40. What's more, many - if not most - are accorded respect by many/most of the younger participants.

Why?

Perhaps 'cos the 'golden oldies' are well used to taking responsibility for themselves, assessing risk, coping with problems - and getting it right. Time after time after time....

But then there's a huge swathe of today's 'young turks' who have never had to take it on their own shoulders, make broken things work, get themselves out of the sticky they've got themselves into, and have always been aware that the RNLI and HMCG are there to 'beam them up' in event of difficulties. And, oh, the posing......

Not true of everyone, of course ( Our Ellen is a great example ), but just compare RKJ's continuing saga of difficulties on Saga, with some of the other stories that have emerged in the past 12 months.

And for what it's worth, just watch the retirement and casualty rate, the next time there's a truly windy Fastnet Race.


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Re: How to make sailing seem less oldish gittish

'ere, I am a school teacher and I think he has a good point. The older you get the more you have earned the right to "drown yourself like a gentleman".
 
Safety is important but I must admit sailing is full of worry pants and ocd. Total obsession with winter layups, changing oil and lifting out onto naff cradles whilst leaving the mast up. Best left in properly secured and used if possible and follow normal servicing routines. Wot do you worry pants think eh?
 
I have read through all the replies so far, and I am surprised to see that nobody has mentioned your obligations under SOLAS Chapter V regulations for pleasure craft when it comes to safety.
Whether you like it or not, and as the leaflet says, these regulations apply to you.
See www.mcga.gov.uk/publications/SITE
 
You're right of course. I couldn't actually say that a load of the posts are rubbish, because I've just lambasted Alistairr for saying that. So it would be hypocrisy of the highest order.
But a lot of posts do seem to be over-concerned with what may go wrong if you were very, very unlucky.
Not very positive is it?

I'll tell you what will happen. You will die.
You could manage the situation and make the occasion a long way off.
Or just enjoy yourself.

hey. It's your life. Or not.
 
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