Is a Contessa 32 basically a man cave for Boomers longing for the halcyon days of the 70s?

Simple choice. Westerly Fulmar. The only one condition that would not be quite as good is leaving the helm alone, she will sail for upto a minute, not longer as it has a balanced rudder. There is double in the fore cabin and a queen size double in the main cabin. All the berths are long, a 6ft 7" man tried the berths on Concerto and he could lie flat on his back - something he can do on very few boats he had tried. If you want to see my boat then click on my signature and look at the video of "Concerto at the Southampton Boat Show".
I'm sorry, Concerto, I have been a part owner of a Fulmar, admittedly not as smartly turned out as yours, but it really did not do it for me. It had a lot of features that I liked but for me, and I stress it is a personal view, the Contessa's outweigh them. Possibly because I was only a quarter owner I never felt the relaxed peace of mind bordering on mindfulness that I get when the donk goes off and the sails take over on the Contessa.
 
I'm sorry, Concerto, I have been a part owner of a Fulmar, admittedly not as smartly turned out as yours, but it really did not do it for me. It had a lot of features that I liked but for me, and I stress it is a personal view, the Contessa's outweigh them. Possibly because I was only a quarter owner I never felt the relaxed peace of mind bordering on mindfulness that I get when the donk goes off and the sails take over on the Contessa.
That moment of quiet for us is usually co incidental with a decent dose of adrenaline. The first pop of the battens precedes some quite dramatic acceleration by 1/4 second if it’s breezy. Not much time for mindfulness. I thought you might be an embryonic DF sailor, it fits most of your other criteria. But definitely not peace and mindfulness unless there’s only 5 knots of wind.
 
Great to see the J90 performance and exhilarating to sail, but not very relaxing. Constantly adjusting and tweeking the sails and the helmsman constantly adjusting the course. This forum is more about cruising than racing. Personally I would not want to cruise a J90, I am very happy with my Fulmar. In the past I owned and raced a Hunter Formula One, a Steven Jones 22ft extreme race boat, with a similar sailing experience to a J90. Been there and had the T shirt, but now prefer to travel slightly more sedately.

I have only once sailed close to a Co32 on the same course. I just sailed so much faster, but that Co32 was too sedate for me. It is very difficult to compare boat speed of a race Co32 with any similar sized boat set up for cruising. It is only when the whole package on offer is compared, then the cramped cockpit and small interior stand out as big drawbacks for many who cruise.
I don’t think you realise how windy it was in that video.
I can absolutely promise you that the driver of a Fulmar or a CO32 under kite in those conditions will be fighting the helm much, much harder than in that video.
 
That moment of quiet for us is usually co incidental with a decent dose of adrenaline. The first pop of the battens precedes some quite dramatic acceleration by 1/4 second if it’s breezy. Not much time for mindfulness. I thought you might be an embryonic DF sailor, it fits most of your other criteria. But definitely not peace and mindfulness unless there’s only 5 knots of wind.
I am not criticising here because I pretty much love all boats and any excuse to get on the water, a tug will do it for me - so I prefer to take a positive rather than a negative view of all designs and can appreciate adrenaline rushes as well as I appreciate stability, comfort ratios and the rest.
So can I ask you a couple of questions with zero criticism implied;
1. You said earlier "Fulmars were good all round boats, and have stood the test of time without any extreme features to get in the way of that" - So do you class deployable (rather than fixed) bouyancy aids (outriggers) to be 'extreme features'?
2. Should you have found yourself in the Fastnet 79, with said (non-fixed) outriggers 'playing up' for whatever reason, would you have felt as relaxed as being on, for instance, a CO32?
It's not a trick question nor a criticism of your design (which I happen to like) but, having experienced the 79 Fastnet, I do not have the same confidence as you imply.
 
After 225 posts I realise the error of my ways. Can anyone suggest a replacement for a CO32 that matches my needs

  • Blakes' seacocks not DZR
Your Blakes seacocks may well be made of DZR. Nothing wring with DZR - Blakes changed from Bronze to DZR sometime in the 1970s - records of the date lost in the mists of time.
 
I'm sorry, Concerto, I have been a part owner of a Fulmar, admittedly not as smartly turned out as yours, but it really did not do it for me. It had a lot of features that I liked but for me, and I stress it is a personal view, the Contessa's outweigh them. Possibly because I was only a quarter owner I never felt the relaxed peace of mind bordering on mindfulness that I get when the donk goes off and the sails take over on the Contessa.
Obviously you only got a quarter of the enjoyment you should have had. 😄😄😄
 
That moment of quiet for us is usually co incidental with a decent dose of adrenaline. The first pop of the battens precedes some quite dramatic acceleration by 1/4 second if it’s breezy. Not much time for mindfulness. I thought you might be an embryonic DF sailor, it fits most of your other criteria. But definitely not peace and mindfulness unless there’s only 5 knots of wind.
I have to admit I have liked the Dragonfly 32, but the 28 is fairly limited down below and can be towed. Both certainly able to cover lots of miles.
 
I don’t think you realise how windy it was in that video.
I can absolutely promise you that the driver of a Fulmar or a CO32 under kite in those conditions will be fighting the helm much, much harder than in that video.
Back in 1971 my parents bought a Nicholson 30, which we raced on the East Coast. That year we raced from Harwich to Ostende. Course due SE. Wind at the start was NW 15 knots true. We started 15 minutes after the large class under full main and full spinnaker. The biggest yacht was a Nicholson 43. Half way there we passed the Nicholson 43. The wind had increased and due to all the B&G instruments being analogue, we do not know exactly what our boat speed or the wind speed was. The log was stuck on 10 knots and the wind speed was stuck on 48 knots from astern, so adding those together makes 58 knots +++. We constantly planned her for over 4 hours. This was an early model with a skeg, so to keep her on track took 3 out of the crew of 5 on the helm. The following 2 years we again planned her, but using a star cut spinnaker, with only one on the helm after we removed the skeg. We would set the spinnaker in gale force winds, which difficult to do as the kite always opened about halfway up the mast, but as soon as we started planing it could be winched to the masthead.

So, yes I have very shrewd idea of the wind strength in that video, but I doubt it was anything like I have experienced racing. The wider flatter stern section of the J90 is more suited to planing compared to our Nicholson 30. It was almost unheard of in the early 1970's to plane any racing yacht.

Even on my Fulmar I use the spinnaker whilst single handed, as per in the avatar. Once I was holding it with 18 knots on the beam and going like a train. In a decade of sailing Concerto, I can also say I have never had her broach or get the spinnaker wet when I drop it. My only proviso is I need open water, so not busy with other boats or in a river.
 
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Your Blakes seacocks may well be made of DZR. Nothing wring with DZR - Blakes changed from Bronze to DZR sometime in the 1970s - records of the date lost in the mists of time.
Last week I serviced my Blake's loo seacocks which are original equipment from 1980. No pitting at all in the cones. Just a regrease. Later models have grease nipples fitted, a great improvement in my opinion.
 
Absolutely. I briefly considered a motorhome but remembered I dislike driving any distance or being in close proximity to the selfish twits that infest our roads.

The barrier to entry to motorhoming is low, most people have a driving licence and sites accept any old riff raff leading to the lower end of society using them for cheap holidays.
Caravan Club sites wouldn't accept me and my nicely converted ex-British Telecomm workshop lorry, so I'm not sure I agree.

But I suppose its possible I wasnt just any old riff-raff

Perhaps I was more your New Age Traveller riff-raff.
 
I am not criticising here because I pretty much love all boats and any excuse to get on the water, a tug will do it for me - so I prefer to take a positive rather than a negative view of all designs and can appreciate adrenaline rushes as well as I appreciate stability, comfort ratios and the rest.
So can I ask you a couple of questions with zero criticism implied;
1. You said earlier "Fulmars were good all round boats, and have stood the test of time without any extreme features to get in the way of that" - So do you class deployable (rather than fixed) bouyancy aids (outriggers) to be 'extreme features'?
2. Should you have found yourself in the Fastnet 79, with said (non-fixed) outriggers 'playing up' for whatever reason, would you have felt as relaxed as being on, for instance, a CO32?
It's not a trick question nor a criticism of your design (which I happen to like) but, having experienced the 79 Fastnet, I do not have the same confidence as you imply.
Dragonflys have competed in the Fastnet race. Mine is not suitable for it, I wouldn’t wish it was allowed to, I know it’s not the boat. Put a 32 or a 40 in that scenario, I think you’ll find they have as much chance of surviving as the boat next to them. Relaxed, you jest surely. It was a fight for survival on every single boat. Not a sail into the sunset puffing on your pipe. The mechanism isn’t a weakness, as long as it’s maintained. The design is not extreme, no. Other multis have the same or greater structural stresses. But we’re now comparing 21st century boats with one designed at the end of the 1960s. Modern multis sail solo round the world, now some of those are extreme. But the days of multihull sailors taking their life in their hands are over. If you don’t know that, you are indeed re living the past. It’s good that some people have the dedication to own a floating museum piece. The world would be poorer without them.
 
I am not criticising here because I pretty much love all boats and any excuse to get on the water, a tug will do it for me - so I prefer to take a positive rather than a negative view of all designs and can appreciate adrenaline rushes as well as I appreciate stability, comfort ratios and the rest.
So can I ask you a couple of questions with zero criticism implied;
1. You said earlier "Fulmars were good all round boats, and have stood the test of time without any extreme features to get in the way of that" - So do you class deployable (rather than fixed) bouyancy aids (outriggers) to be 'extreme features'?
2. Should you have found yourself in the Fastnet 79, with said (non-fixed) outriggers 'playing up' for whatever reason, would you have felt as relaxed as being on, for instance, a CO32?
It's not a trick question nor a criticism of your design (which I happen to like) but, having experienced the 79 Fastnet, I do not have the same confidence as you imply.

An excellent post. as you say most people don't pick on the individual weaknesses of named boats because it's so easy, not particularly good manners, and all boats have features that appeal to some and are not suitable for others.

The silly abuse comes from people who must get some enjoyment out of it but it baffles.

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Dragonflys have competed in the Fastnet race. Mine is not suitable for it, I wouldn’t wish it was allowed to, I know it’s not the boat. Put a 32 or a 40 in that scenario, I think you’ll find they have as much chance of surviving as the boat next to them. Relaxed, you jest surely. It was a fight for survival on every single boat. Not a sail into the sunset puffing on your pipe. The mechanism isn’t a weakness, as long as it’s maintained. The design is not extreme, no. Other multis have the same or greater structural stresses. But we’re now comparing 21st century boats with one designed at the end of the 1960s. Modern multis sail solo round the world, now some of those are extreme. But the days of multihull sailors taking their life in their hands are over. If you don’t know that, you are indeed re living the past. It’s good that some people have the dedication to own a floating museum piece. The world would be poorer without them.

I wonder if the quality of modern forecasts actually makes a Fastnet safe for "your boat" (FWOABW). Unexpected weather even at 5 days distance is far less likely today than it was in 1980, if the weather's not right you just don't turn up.
 
An excellent post. as you say most people don't pick on the individual weaknesses of named boats because it's so easy, not particularly good manners, and all boats have features that appeal to some and are not suitable for others..

Well yeah, but the fact you have a 250 post thread about the strengths and weaknesses of CO32's demonstrates that deep down everyone loves them and enjoys talking about them.

If I was a CO32 owner I'd be flattered by this thread.
 
I wonder if the quality of modern forecasts actually makes a Fastnet safe for "your boat" (FWOABW). Unexpected weather even at 5 days distance is far less likely today than it was in 1980, if the weather's not right you just don't turn up.
Clearly you’d need to be prepared to retire or DNC. I’d be perfectly happy to sail around the rock, and back to Cherbourg as a cruise, at a time of my choosing. Perhaps not with Mrs C as crew, she’s not keen on multiple long days at sea, she needs to walk about for the sake of her replacement joints.
 
Well yeah, but the fact you have a 250 post thread about the strengths and weaknesses of CO32's demonstrates that deep down everyone loves them and enjoys talking about them.

If I was a CO32 owner I'd be flattered by this thread.
We are indeed!!!. Funny how others see it different. Must be some deep hidden envy when they get passed on the water and see such a pretty stearn disappearing over the horizon.

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