RichardS
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We've never been to Bitter End but we have anchored and eaten in nearby Leverick Bay on the upper balcony overlooking the bay. Do you know whether that has survived?
Richard
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We've never been to Bitter End but we have anchored and eaten in nearby Leverick Bay on the upper balcony overlooking the bay. Do you know whether that has survived?
Richard
capnsensible
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Matt safe, in a shelter waiting to be evacuated. No boat to worry about.
Cheery
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RichardS
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Terrible. It looks as if there is virtually nothing left of the restaurant/hotel which was just inshore of the small beach on the far right hand side.
Richard
longjohnsilver
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Thanks. If you get chance please send him my regards.
Frogmogman
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Very interesting comment in reply to an article in today's Guardian
Rudeboy1 3h ago
I posted this the other day about the 'slow' response that the Guardian is moaning about. Here's a little context....for people who like facts...
Despite what you've read in the Guardian, and what was pronounced by 2 Select Committee heads desperate for a little publicity the UK's response has been far better prepared and effective than France or the Netherlands.
The other day the Guardian made much of the fact that French and Dutch naval vessels had arrived on their islands and were providing relief. In comparison the UK was 'dragging it's heels'. But this was utter nonsense. Both the Dutch and French have a number of islands affected that were far closer together so were easier to cover. The ships naturally have to stand off at sea or seek shelter with a hurricane on the loose.
The ships that have arrived to provide 'relief' are in fact as much use as a chocolate fireguard. They're 1,000 tonne patrol ships with practically no supplies, equipment or capability. In comparison the UK had stationed (as it has done for decades in hurricane season) a 20,000 tonne Landing Ship Dock, RFA Mounts Bay, on station in the Caribbean. At the time of the hurricane it was sheltering in the lea of Puerto Rico and immediately set sail to Anguilla.
To put things into context you literally could not build a better disaster relief vessel than a Landing Ship Dock. It has a huge flight deck capable of accommodating the largest helicopters, dedicated medical facilities, large storage of relief supplies, landing craft and Mexefloats (rather useful when harbours are destroyed or blocked), large cranes and has Royal Marines, Engineers and Logistic Corps personnel onboard trained and skilled at disaster relief (a bit more useful than a few French or Dutch matelots). In terms of fresh water production alone, it can, via it's reverse osmosis plant, produce more tonnes of fresh water in a week than the French or Dutch vessels weigh in total....
Add to that the UK can and is airlifting more stores in direct from the dedicated storage at RAF Brize Norton on a scale that France and Holland can only dream of, HMS Ocean is crossing the Atlantic with heavy lift helicopters and Royal Marines aboard. The French have only just decided to send the Tonnerre, a Mistral Class landing ship, whose total capabilities are about a third of the RN vessels (small and medium sized helicopters, Ocean has Merlin and Chinook aboard).
Not exactly the story you'll get from the Guardian though....
Rudeboy1 3h ago
I posted this the other day about the 'slow' response that the Guardian is moaning about. Here's a little context....for people who like facts...
Despite what you've read in the Guardian, and what was pronounced by 2 Select Committee heads desperate for a little publicity the UK's response has been far better prepared and effective than France or the Netherlands.
The other day the Guardian made much of the fact that French and Dutch naval vessels had arrived on their islands and were providing relief. In comparison the UK was 'dragging it's heels'. But this was utter nonsense. Both the Dutch and French have a number of islands affected that were far closer together so were easier to cover. The ships naturally have to stand off at sea or seek shelter with a hurricane on the loose.
The ships that have arrived to provide 'relief' are in fact as much use as a chocolate fireguard. They're 1,000 tonne patrol ships with practically no supplies, equipment or capability. In comparison the UK had stationed (as it has done for decades in hurricane season) a 20,000 tonne Landing Ship Dock, RFA Mounts Bay, on station in the Caribbean. At the time of the hurricane it was sheltering in the lea of Puerto Rico and immediately set sail to Anguilla.
To put things into context you literally could not build a better disaster relief vessel than a Landing Ship Dock. It has a huge flight deck capable of accommodating the largest helicopters, dedicated medical facilities, large storage of relief supplies, landing craft and Mexefloats (rather useful when harbours are destroyed or blocked), large cranes and has Royal Marines, Engineers and Logistic Corps personnel onboard trained and skilled at disaster relief (a bit more useful than a few French or Dutch matelots). In terms of fresh water production alone, it can, via it's reverse osmosis plant, produce more tonnes of fresh water in a week than the French or Dutch vessels weigh in total....
Add to that the UK can and is airlifting more stores in direct from the dedicated storage at RAF Brize Norton on a scale that France and Holland can only dream of, HMS Ocean is crossing the Atlantic with heavy lift helicopters and Royal Marines aboard. The French have only just decided to send the Tonnerre, a Mistral Class landing ship, whose total capabilities are about a third of the RN vessels (small and medium sized helicopters, Ocean has Merlin and Chinook aboard).
Not exactly the story you'll get from the Guardian though....
Ravi
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Very interesting. Can you tell me the sources for your info so that I can use them.
JumbleDuck
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How do the number of islands and the number of of people affected compare?
dolabriform
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Ravi
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Oh for goodness sake, don't be ridiculous. The man is an egotistical, delusional buffoon.
My comment was madea few days ago, though. There are other more important matters arising from Irma now.
Cheery
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It would be nice if someone at the BBC could stop allowing various individuals from stating that we aren't as effective as the French or the Dutch. It really galls me as a former serviceman from a Logistics regiment and knowing how things just fall into place when need arises. This is because we practice, practice, practice. Then when needed everyone does their job as automatic as breathing (long days and nights but everyone knew/knows that). I for one am proud of our reaction to the disaster.
capnsensible
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alant
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Write to the BBC at Newswatch then.
Cheery
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I emailed them last Friday, but thanks for the tip.
alant
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Wot, no video?
franksingleton
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As ever, when you are near or are part of the news, you quickly realise how bad the media as a whole are. Not just the BBC or Guardian who may be a shade better than the rest. My, probably rather jaundiced, view is to take all press reports with a big pinch of salt.
Cheery
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Terrible. It looks as if there is virtually nothing left of the restaurant/hotel which was just inshore of the small beach on the far right hand side.
Richard
Here's another, closer picture. heartbreaking for those who live there and have lost their livelihoods.
Bobc
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White bay on JVD is also completely destroyed, although some of Foxy's is still standing.
Nanny Cay and Peg Leg's is also destroyed.
Nanny Cay and Peg Leg's is also destroyed.
bedouin
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Even without the damage to the building, with the charter fleet gone there can't be much businesss
Very sad and I hope they get up and running again soon.
Cheery
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The best thing that can happen is for some semblance of normality for the locals quickly, and then get the tourists back spending money. Without tourists msot of the Caribbean would suffer. Even with them a lot of the islands are poor.