IPCC Report on Climate Change
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Lakesailor
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Am I alone in asking (of the report) 'so what?' and 'and what do you suggest we do about it?'?
Paulka
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"So what?"
No answer to this one.
'and what do you suggest we do about it?'
Obvious answer : more taxes, more "experts" flying around to commit such nonsense.
Waiting to be fired!
Paul
No answer to this one.
'and what do you suggest we do about it?'
Obvious answer : more taxes, more "experts" flying around to commit such nonsense.
Waiting to be fired!
Paul
Lakesailor
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No, you're not.
Never have I seen so many "Highly likely" and "Likely" and "More likely than not"s in one place.
Definitive it is not.
Neither do they suggest a scenario for "We are all buggered"
It's a masterpiece of suggestion.
Never have I seen so many "Highly likely" and "Likely" and "More likely than not"s in one place.
Definitive it is not.
Neither do they suggest a scenario for "We are all buggered"
It's a masterpiece of suggestion.
capt_courageous
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It also keeps them in well paid non productive, cushy jobs working for an organisation known for doing not a lot.
blackbeard
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Global warming is not new. In Roman times the south of Britannia, and especially Isle of Vectis, was a wine producing region. The Venerable Bede, so I understand, described England as a prosperous land at peace, and with rich farmland and vineyards (so much for the "Dark Ages").
In the eleventh century or thereabouts the Vikings colonised the rich agricultural land of Greenland. In the fourteenth century we had a severe dose of global cooling.
However, we are still not sure about what effects global warming will have, or why it's happening, or how our actions affect it. That doesn't mean it's not worth finding out, especially since there seems to be a balance of probability that our actions are, in part at least, a factor. Carrying on regardless could be seen as a bad bet.
In the eleventh century or thereabouts the Vikings colonised the rich agricultural land of Greenland. In the fourteenth century we had a severe dose of global cooling.
However, we are still not sure about what effects global warming will have, or why it's happening, or how our actions affect it. That doesn't mean it's not worth finding out, especially since there seems to be a balance of probability that our actions are, in part at least, a factor. Carrying on regardless could be seen as a bad bet.
ianabc
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Perhaps it all boils down to the "carbon footprint"
Which in the case of most forumites, assuming they don't purchase new, is small with a sailing boat!
Although soon you'll perhaps need to show your personal 5 ton carbon card so that units can be deducted whenever you by fuel or anything else that emits CO2
On the other hand we'll be selling out spare C02 from out 5 tons allotment yearly if we don't drive from London to Brighton to use the boat.
Which in the case of most forumites, assuming they don't purchase new, is small with a sailing boat!
Although soon you'll perhaps need to show your personal 5 ton carbon card so that units can be deducted whenever you by fuel or anything else that emits CO2
On the other hand we'll be selling out spare C02 from out 5 tons allotment yearly if we don't drive from London to Brighton to use the boat.
jcmmarine
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Lets put this in perspective.
We live in a village by a river.
The water levels are rising - we are not sure why.
Do our council build dykes, do they advocate landfill for low-level areas, do they ban building in low-lying areas.
No, they tax you for turning on a tap.
And what do they do they do with this extra tax; they give themselves higher pay, expenses and pensions. But to cover this they employ PR people to say it is our entire fault and that we must pay even higher taxes if we are not to drown.
Am I a Cynic?
We live in a village by a river.
The water levels are rising - we are not sure why.
Do our council build dykes, do they advocate landfill for low-level areas, do they ban building in low-lying areas.
No, they tax you for turning on a tap.
And what do they do they do with this extra tax; they give themselves higher pay, expenses and pensions. But to cover this they employ PR people to say it is our entire fault and that we must pay even higher taxes if we are not to drown.
Am I a Cynic?
Porthandbuoy
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So, as far as you lot are concerned Climate Change is nothing more than a political catchphrase. Or am I the cynical one?
I believe climate change is upon us. I also believe there is bugger all we can do about it as it's too late. Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing will depend very much on where you, and your children's children, live.
I believe climate change is upon us. I also believe there is bugger all we can do about it as it's too late. Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing will depend very much on where you, and your children's children, live.
capt_courageous
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The climate has always changed. There seem to be many things which combine to cause this. CO2 in the atmosphere is one of them and man undoubtalby causes part of that. The arguement should be how significant is our contribution and what should and can we do about it if necessary. Hysterical press and TV reporting add nothing. What seems too have been forgotten is that the warming effect of the atmosphere is what makes our planet inhabitable.
Also: No CO2=no plants=no animals = no us.
Also: No CO2=no plants=no animals = no us.
Porthandbuoy
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The climate has always changed. . . True
There seem to be many things which combine to cause this. . . Also true.
CO2 in the atmosphere is one of them and man undoubtalby causes part of that. . . Yep. Still true.
The arguement should be how significant is our contribution and what should and can we do about it if necessary. . . Very significant and too late to do anything.
Hysterical press and TV reporting add nothing. . . Sadly true.
What seems too have been forgotten is that the warming effect of the atmosphere is what makes our planet inhabitable. . . Should read; makes some regions inhabitable and others uninhabitable.
Also: No CO2=no plants=no animals = no us. . . Should read; Too much CO2 = etc, etc, etc.
[/ QUOTE ] Though it won't come to that. The scientists are talking "change", not mass extinction.
The climate has always changed. . . True
There seem to be many things which combine to cause this. . . Also true.
CO2 in the atmosphere is one of them and man undoubtalby causes part of that. . . Yep. Still true.
The arguement should be how significant is our contribution and what should and can we do about it if necessary. . . Very significant and too late to do anything.
Hysterical press and TV reporting add nothing. . . Sadly true.
What seems too have been forgotten is that the warming effect of the atmosphere is what makes our planet inhabitable. . . Should read; makes some regions inhabitable and others uninhabitable.
Also: No CO2=no plants=no animals = no us. . . Should read; Too much CO2 = etc, etc, etc.
[/ QUOTE ] Though it won't come to that. The scientists are talking "change", not mass extinction.
capt_courageous
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' Very significant' - says some - others, just if not better qualified, say no.
' Makes some etc. ' If you could cope with average global temperature being 30 deg C lower I suppose you could live on Mars.
How much is too much ?
' Makes some etc. ' If you could cope with average global temperature being 30 deg C lower I suppose you could live on Mars.
How much is too much ?
PeterGibbs
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Eventually, someone - perhaps at the UN - will have to make public the connection between the rising number of people on this planet and the damaging use of resources. Not a vote winner I know, but more relevant than a few quid more on a cheapie airline ticket or a stream of ads telling you not to put your TV on standby mode!
The science is crystal clear - it's CO2, stupid - to rephrase Clinton's aphorism. If the concentration rises too high we fry - and many millions will experience a ghastly end until a new more hospitable balance is achieved.
I know it's tempting to think we will shrug this off - after all we came through hundreds of years of dynastic, then religious wars, economic wars, a nuclear standoff, and are now grappling with the age of non-state terrorism. Any of these threats could be closed down overnight in reality. But the climate threat is beyond all this. The early manifestations are disruption to water supplies, then energy supplies and this can surely only repercuss on food supplies. In my view this issue should be top of the agenda and remain there for a long time.
PWG
The science is crystal clear - it's CO2, stupid - to rephrase Clinton's aphorism. If the concentration rises too high we fry - and many millions will experience a ghastly end until a new more hospitable balance is achieved.
I know it's tempting to think we will shrug this off - after all we came through hundreds of years of dynastic, then religious wars, economic wars, a nuclear standoff, and are now grappling with the age of non-state terrorism. Any of these threats could be closed down overnight in reality. But the climate threat is beyond all this. The early manifestations are disruption to water supplies, then energy supplies and this can surely only repercuss on food supplies. In my view this issue should be top of the agenda and remain there for a long time.
PWG
LostinFrance
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Amazing innit? still never mind, when our planets just about to give up supporting life, one of you lot can just nip down to the 24 hr Tesco's and buy us a new one. Oh, blast hang on, you mean they are out of stock of new habitable worlds??
Sad I find it, when all it takes is a bit of consideration about utilising our resources, instead all I hear is some people whingeing about scare mongering. Doh! Wake up you lazy greedy sods and help a bit.
Sad I find it, when all it takes is a bit of consideration about utilising our resources, instead all I hear is some people whingeing about scare mongering. Doh! Wake up you lazy greedy sods and help a bit.
Porthandbuoy
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Doh! Wake up you lazy greedy sods and help a bit.
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I take it you're planning to take the engine out of your boat then.
Doh! Wake up you lazy greedy sods and help a bit.
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I take it you're planning to take the engine out of your boat then.
LostinFrance
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I was anticipating a clever response like that. What makes you think I have an engine? Actually I have, but as my boat is a sailer I reckon I'm doing a bit more than most anywayway.
But I suppose the next clever response is to suggest my sails and hull have used environmentally unfriendly materials. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I find it pretty dumb when there is so much opposition just to ask people to reduce their polluting ways, when it doesn't seem to occur to them that the issue is serious. It seems that a lot of people here are as far removed from the natural world as they can be, which is odd considering the sport we're involved in.
But I suppose the next clever response is to suggest my sails and hull have used environmentally unfriendly materials. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I find it pretty dumb when there is so much opposition just to ask people to reduce their polluting ways, when it doesn't seem to occur to them that the issue is serious. It seems that a lot of people here are as far removed from the natural world as they can be, which is odd considering the sport we're involved in.
capt_courageous
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Just the sort of reasoned, logical sort of argument we all need. Not really.
jenku
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Actually I do agree with you. I find it a trifle shocking to read all those responses on this forum where sailors do bury their heads in the sand and try to avoid taking any responsibility at all.
Really, it does not matter if the global warming can be proved to be man made or not. We know it is happening and we know what it is causing and going to cause. Nobody does challenge that, do they? So of course we have to act AS IF it was man made, for this is the only chance we have to do anything about it. If it later proves to be untrue, what have we lost? Nothing at all! If it proves to be true, we may lose a lot more and it is too late to do anything about it!
I really cannot understand how anybody who has children can act otherwise.
It is really not about going back to the stone age. The only thing required of us ordinary people is to use trains a bit more than cars or planes and maybe buy a bi-fuel car instead of that 4-wheel drive thing you do not need anyway!
We sailor really should know better. Who other than us really lives that close to the weather and knows how much only a slight change of weather can affect us?
Really, it does not matter if the global warming can be proved to be man made or not. We know it is happening and we know what it is causing and going to cause. Nobody does challenge that, do they? So of course we have to act AS IF it was man made, for this is the only chance we have to do anything about it. If it later proves to be untrue, what have we lost? Nothing at all! If it proves to be true, we may lose a lot more and it is too late to do anything about it!
I really cannot understand how anybody who has children can act otherwise.
It is really not about going back to the stone age. The only thing required of us ordinary people is to use trains a bit more than cars or planes and maybe buy a bi-fuel car instead of that 4-wheel drive thing you do not need anyway!
We sailor really should know better. Who other than us really lives that close to the weather and knows how much only a slight change of weather can affect us?
Robin
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It is really not about going back to the stone age. The only thing required of us ordinary people is to use trains a bit more than cars or planes and maybe buy a bi-fuel car instead of that 4-wheel drive thing you do not need anyway!
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I bet you dream in full technicolour and Dolby surround sound! Is that really the story being sold where you live?
It is really not about going back to the stone age. The only thing required of us ordinary people is to use trains a bit more than cars or planes and maybe buy a bi-fuel car instead of that 4-wheel drive thing you do not need anyway!
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I bet you dream in full technicolour and Dolby surround sound! Is that really the story being sold where you live?
