fastjedi
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Ditto ..... I have no compelling reason to go down the Apple route. When Navionics announce Nexus 7, I will buy one (with luck more memory / less ££ by then)
iPad4 or Nexus 10 for navigating
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Ditto ..... I have no compelling reason to go down the Apple route. When Navionics announce Nexus 7, I will buy one (with luck more memory / less ££ by then)
Dave99
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I am a fan of Navionics, Use it on my iPhone all the time
wotayottie
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Why? Whats wrong that you needed to change so quickly or did they break?
lustyd
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I think you're thinking of Android. There have been several threads about Android apps not coming back after updates or device wipe/renewals. All of these threads have at least one Apple device owner saying their stuff always comes back fine. My experience losing an iPhone while out in London was that my new iPhone had a complete restore of data by the time I left the Apple store, including the half written drunken text message I had been writing before I lost the phone.
They need your bank details to allow you to buy useful apps and this works well with very little risk.
As for what you own outright, you will own the device unless it's subsidised by a mobile network. You'll also own any music, video and apps you buy which includes minor updates until a new big version is released. At this point you either update (often for a reduced cost) or keep what you have.
I don't think "Applezon account holders" generally have an issue with this, just people who choose not to learn, and those who like to try making points on forums. I've no idea which category you're in so no offence intended.
lustyd
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Doubtful, Applecare would have replaced them FOC within the first year (or two with a small fee) regardless of what broke since Apple warranty includes problems arising SINCE manufacture rather than problems WITH manufacture like everyone else. Ironically they are the only company I'm aware of whose terms were made worse by the European 2 year standard warranty requirement.
Highndry
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Tethering is using your mobile phone to create a personal wifi hotspot. Then you connect to that hotspot with the non-3G device and share the connection.
grumpy_o_g
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I haven't seen any Apple or Android threads particularly complaining about losing apps in general but I may have missed/forgotten them. It's more likely to be an app/app publisher problem than the OS. Navionics is a specific case though. Whilst the app is a very cheap way of getting a few hundred quids worth of electronic charts they are absolutely shocking at the way the publish the apps on both platforms. Rather than upgrading the app they actually discontinue the old one and publish a new one. This means that you can't download the old one from the App/Play store if you need to - you have to buy the new one. There also a terrible confusion over the regions (apparently the UK isn't in Europe) as well as HD versions, etc. As if that wasn't bad enough the iPad version offers more functionality than the Android version for some obscure reason (I suspect laziness) and the Android app has not been updated to allow Android 4.2 (that's why the Nexus doesn't like it) despite the fact there's no coding changes needed at all. FWIW I don't think either iPad or Android Navionics app are usable for proper navigation or pilotage but the Android Navionics app definitely isn't. This post may be of interest. http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277220&highlight=memory+tracker
There's one other aspect about recovering lost apps. Apple will do a full backup to iTunes - you will have your device restored exactly as you want. A small downside is that it is a pain to do a "clean" install - i.e reload the OS and then install all the apps one by one. Asus have a even better backup than iOS and the screens on the Super IPS models are the best yet but that is Asus specific. There isn't a generic Android app you can use that will backup everything unless you have rooted your Android device though. It's easy to your apps back as you just log in to the Play store and they're all listed - you don't even have to do it from the device you're restoring - but you won;t get any data in those apps back unless there's a special mechanism (Google backs up Contacts, etc. to the cloud for example).
I thought you owned the device but had just contracted to pay a network charge for a specific period? Probably academic to most people though.
grumpy_o_g
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Technically "tethering" is creating a link between two devices such that one device can use the other as a modem. Originally this was by cable or IR sometimes but is now done by wireless Bluetooth connections when it is used. As others have said though it's often used to describe connecting a device with a personal Wi-Fi hotspot. It takes a few seconds for jst about any Android phone or iPhone to be turned into a Wi-Fi hotspot and there's no configuration needed beyond setting a password. If you see that a particular contract won't allow tethering it usually means it won't allow use as a Wi-Fi hotspot either.
Go careful as you can eat data at a very fast rate when using a tablet and it'll cost you big time if you're on the wrong data plan. It's one reason to go for a 3/4G tablet - typically, if you by a large amount data on a phone contract they up the minutes, etc. as well and you can end up paying more (not always of course).
Rivers & creeks
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Upgraded when each new one launched, selling my old one and buying the next one up as a used model. When v4 launched I bought a used v3 and it's superb, the screen is remarkable and a nice robust bit of kit. Not everyone likes them, I dont worship them but they do just work. I'm baffled at the emotions generated by the brand of phone or tablet someone uses, like I care what brand of TV someone watches? I've always liked Apple stuff but you meet people who think its a sin to have one / not have one. Bizarre.
lustyd
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It was the many navionics threads I was thinking about so appologies for saying it was an Android problem. That said, it has only been Android devices with the issues, and Android versions where you have to manually work around the system to get the tablet version when you have the phone version. I'm not against Android but it's hard to argue it's as polished as the iPad for usability.
gjgm
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As the menu structure differs a bit on each smartphone, usually a google search will show you how to do it. Basically, you open the phones wireless connectivity and make it discoverable, and then on the tablet search for wifi connections and it will find the phone. 20 seconds, once you remember how to do it.
Re Navionics, I was reading up a bit last weekend, and there seemed some pretty serious disatisfaction with tablet Navionics. Ok, it is cheap, but I dont think you get anything like the full plotter Navionics at all.
Maybe ok as an emergency back up.
Also, bear in mind the mobile connection wont work out of range of the mobile signal. Not alot of use perhaps at sea then ?
Rivers & creeks
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The GPS chip works anywhere; the charts are the same as all other Navionics charts; and it has the same plotter functions as any other plotter, though this bit requires a £2.99 add on package.
wotayottie
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Dont think thats a good analogy - LG dont try to control what you can watch on their TVs like Apple do on the Iapd.
I think the irritation comes from buying a gadget and then finding a yankee multinational still trying to control what you do with it and to make money out of you. It isnt only Apple - Microshaft tried the same thing albeit less effectively when they bundled software with the OP system and refused to give code to outside developers. Google do some of the same things, invading your privacy by monitoring what you look at and posting adverts you didnt ask for on your PC. Plus of course there are the software and music vendors who sell you something but still try to own it and to prevent you from sharing it.
Maybe I'm an awkward old sod but I resent these efforts to control and dominate, so I fight back in whatever way I can.
TYKE
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I was very interested in this thread but it has just disintegrated into a squabble about peoples "souls".
All that matters (to me aleast) is CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN IN SUNLIGHT ?
I use Memory map on board but would like to be able to see the charts on deck so the first and primary requirement is to be able to see the screen in sunlight. When I tested a few tablets a year or 2 ago you couldnt. Please can someone tell me if the latest models will work in the sun.
All that matters (to me aleast) is CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN IN SUNLIGHT ?
I use Memory map on board but would like to be able to see the charts on deck so the first and primary requirement is to be able to see the screen in sunlight. When I tested a few tablets a year or 2 ago you couldnt. Please can someone tell me if the latest models will work in the sun.
Rivers & creeks
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Yes agree about the soul thing, I don't care as long as it just works. The iPad is NOT readable in strong direct sunlight. Because we have a wheelhouse this was rarely a problem, if it was I just shifted position; you can get fittings for it like an old fashioned CRT radar cowl but it was easier to move. Waterproof cases are good but it is our wheelhouse that makes it useable as a fully functioned plotter, and a damn sight more versatile. The Nexus has the same direct sunlight issue but the Kindle Fire is much better, expect Navionics on that soon as it uses Android so I would imagine it could be ported easily.
Miker
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My Garmin GPS MAP620 is unreadable in direct sunlight so has to be sited in the the cabin. I was hoping that tablets would not be the same. As there is, I suspect, also the problem of tablets not being waterproof, it too would have to be housed in the cabin. I would gain, though, backup and a larger screen relatively cheaply, discounting the cost of the tablet.
srah1953
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Obviously it depends on the phone company, but it's not clear to me why downloading data is significantly cheaper if the tablet has a 3G device than being tethered to a smartphone
Miker
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I'm have an old PAYG mobile at the moment and worry about losing a smart phone and the finder running up a large bill. Do phone companies put a limit on usage or do I have to take out insurance to cover his risk?
gjgm
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Ah, yes, sorry. The navigation side of it will work without internet of course.
Reptile Smile
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Doesn't have GPS though...