International Micron Extra gains it's "letters"

[CharlesSwallow]

Just bought two 2.5litre cans of said liquid gold dust to find that it is now labelled "Micron Extra EU". Can we assume that there are different formulations now for different territories & probably that ours will now be as effective as painting the boat with strawberry jam? Bought an aditional 0.75litre can from competitor chandlery and this has no such addendum but probably last year's stock.

Chas

 

[Ross D]

probably that ours will now be as effective as painting the boat with strawberry jam?

Surely not, if you paint on enough strawberry jam it would work like erroding antifoul.

 

[VicS]

According to the MSDS the EU version Conforms to the requirements of Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008 These are not mentioned in the MSDS for the "non EU" version

The Material safety data sheets show a small difference in formulation.

There are different formuations for different territories.
You could compare the lists of ingredients on the Material safety data sheets if you have the time to waste.

There are also different product ranges in different territories

 

[CharlesSwallow]

According to the MSDS the EU version Conforms to the requirements of Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008 These are not mentioned in the MSDS for the "non EU" version

The Material safety data sheets show a small difference in formulation.

There are different formuations for different territories.
You could compare the lists of ingredients on the Material safety data sheets if you have the time to waste.

There are also different product ranges in different territories

...and this is? I guess that it reduces the effectiveness and I guess that I would be right.

Chas

 

[sailorman]

we were hauled yesterday after 13 months afloat.
the jotun has worked very well, only slime. the 4 pad patchs where the yard splodged on something else had hair like growth & some barnies

 

[VicS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VicS
According to the MSDS the EU version Conforms to the requirements of Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008 These are not mentioned in the MSDS for the "non EU" version

The Material safety data sheets show a small difference in formulation.

There are different formuations for different territories.
You could compare the lists of ingredients on the Material safety data sheets if you have the time to waste.

There are also different product ranges in different territories

...and this is? I guess that it reduces the effectiveness and I guess that I would be right.

Chas

A change in the booster biocide. Perhaps in response to the levels of the previous one found in the water in some continental marinas.
If you are so firmly convinced that a change in formulation would result in a reduction in effectiveness sticking to the old type would have been wiser if still available where you are. Both seem to be available in a good few European countries although, AFAIK, the EU version is not (yet ?) available in the UK.

 

[pvb]

According to the MSDS the EU version Conforms to the requirements of Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008 These are not mentioned in the MSDS for the "non EU" version

These EU Regulations are primarily concerned with "harmonising" the nomenclature used for chemicals and giving specific guidance on how Safety Data Sheets should be prepared. As such, they're unlikely to affect the composition of antifouling. As you say, different additives are used for different markets - and indeed even in the same market there are changes from time to time in the additives used.

Micron Extra uses dichlofluanid as a biocide; Micron Extra EU uses copper pyrithione. Otherwise, they're ostensibly the same paint.

 

[samwise]

There are a number of different approved formulations for the Baltic area, for example between Denmark and the East Coast of Sweden and between Sweden East and Sweden West and Norway. UK rated antifoul is considered to be too strong and its use is frowned upon, although it is fair to say that the Baltic is a fairly low fouling area (for the moment!)

 

[VicS]

Micron Extra uses dichlofluanid as a biocide; Micron Extra EU uses copper pyrithione. Otherwise, they're ostensibly the same paint.

Different booster biocides ... as I said. (I think I also noticed a trivial change in the solvent makeup)

We still don't really know why two different versions of the same AF co exist. Both appear to be available in some counties while only one is available in others.

There are also EU versions of some of the other antifoulings. I have not looked any deeper to see what the differences are. I assume its the same change to the booster biocide

 

[misterg]

According to the MSDS the EU version Conforms to the requirements of Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH).....

These EU Regulations are primarily concerned with "harmonising" the nomenclature used for chemicals and giving specific guidance on how Safety Data Sheets should be prepared. As such, they're unlikely to affect the composition of antifouling.

No.

The REACH regulations/directive or whatever are wide ranging and restrictive.

If I try and give any more than a brief description, steam will come out of my ears, and my eyes will bleed

Progressively, within the EU, "chemicals" will only be permitted for authorised purposes and applications which have to have been proven to have no hazardous effects on health or the environment. This is already in place for large (industrial quantities), and comes into force for lower (but still large quantities) soon, eventually affecting pretty much everything.

Note: The calssification is based on hazardous effects, NOT risk: You can no longer buy borax because it has been included on a 'grey list' of chemicals being considered as "Substances of Very High Concern", this is despite the fact that there is no risk to human health (humans physically couldn't ingest enough borax to cause the mutagenic effects as they would vomit long before...). To use these substances, you would need to obtain an authorisation under Annex XIV of REACH (£50k??), carry out animal testing & pay for a license to use it (to HSE in the UK). Separate authorisation, testing, etc. is required for each application.

Note that neither 3M Mould & Mildew Remover or Brinton's MMC any longer contain disodium octaborate.

Thoriated tungsten TIG electrodes will also be going

http://www.reachimpact.com/index.ph...ion-Authorisation-Registration-Chemicals.html

It is the most apallingly badly written, ill concieved bureaucracy fest that I've ever seen.

DO NOT get me started!

Andy

 

[pvb]

No.

The REACH regulations/directive or whatever are wide ranging and restrictive.

If I try and give any more than a brief description, steam will come out of my ears, and my eyes will bleed

I'm sure you are rightly upset by the overall REACH regulations, however the ones Vic quoted (Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008) are, as I said, basically only concerned with nomenclature and labelling. That's why International's safety data sheet says it complies with them.

Note that neither 3M Mould & Mildew Remover or Brinton's MMC any longer contain disodium octaborate.

I didn't know 3M made a Mould & Mildew Remover, and to the best of my knowledge Brinton's MMC has never contained disodium octaborate.

 

[VicS]

I'm sure you are rightly upset by the overall REACH regulations, however the ones Vic quoted (Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II and Regulation (EC) No.1272/2008) are, as I said, basically only concerned with nomenclature and labelling. That's why International's safety data sheet says it complies with them.



I didn't know 3M made a Mould & Mildew Remover, and to the best of my knowledge Brinton's MMC has never contained disodium octaborate.

Well the Polycell 3 in 1 mould cleaner doesn't ... Nor does Micron Extra

 

[Woodlouse]

I've just antifouled a boat with some Jotun commercial stuff, reckoned to last 5 years and with the biggest warning labels i've ever seen on a paint tin.

I'll be interested to see how it lasts.

 

[misterg]

...the ones Vic quoted (Regulation (EC) No.1907/2006 (REACH), Annex II .... are, as I said, basically only concerned with nomenclature and labelling. That's why International's safety data sheet says it complies with them.

Annexe II is for MSDS preparation, however compliance requires data from testing & authorisation specified elsewhere in the regulations - it's all interrelated.

I didn't know 3M made a Mould & Mildew Remover, and to the best of my knowledge Brinton's MMC has never contained disodium octaborate.

I meant Polycell 3-in-1 Mould and Mildew Remover (as was) and I thought that MMC also used to contain disodium octaborate, but maybe not. It was late

I'll have to stock up on Boracol.

Andy