Instructions not to anchor in Osbourne bay

[l'escargot]

The info' about Osborne Bay is replicated above for people like Tim B, who have understandably been away in peak holiday season.

Far from a rant, I and others feel a need to object when unelected quango's highly financed by you and me try to grab bits of taxpayers' open sea, or for that matter land.

Did I mention you as ranting?

I am sure you have read the licence and all associated documentation in order to enable yourself to only post fully informed opinion and factual comments on this whole debate...

 

[Seajet]

Trying to speak sense on this thread is like juggling fog !

"Then EH had to come up with proposals to satisfy them which would explain why they never put anything about them in the planning application ".

This logic would have Spock slashing his wrists...

 

[Blue5]

Been off line for a few days in remote parts, so haven't been able to follow the debate: because I knew where to look on MMO site (which is a masterpiece of internet disinformtaion technology!), I too had looked at the terms of the licence when all this came up, and also discussed it with Gus Lewis at RYA, the result of which was the Press release quoted earlier.

RYA had been most definitely on the ball, as they usually are. However, as usual they hadnt told anybody what they have been doing! But, as they say, there is a huge amount of information like this which very few of us would bother to trawl through, and in any case how could they contact everyone who might be affected? How many of us read QHMs LNTMs throughly? Some will, most wont.

EH were advised in their planning consents from IoW Council that as they are refurbishing a 'swimming beach' they should establish a standard swimming zone buoyed area similar to those found on most major resort beaches. EH then got the bit between their teeth, anbd applied for a full exclusion zone for safety and conservation of the Seagrass beds. Its there in their MMO licence application. RYA spotted the 'exclusion zone' and objected, so that what EH got was permission for nothing more than a standard 'swimming safet zone. The Licence actually specifies that boats should continue to have free access and anchoring within the zone, so that EH had no justification whatsoever in trying to move boats or prevent them anchoring.

It seems that the UKHO did not receive the updates the licence required EH to make on the 'progress of works', so that the standard notifications were not sent out to QHM, HMCG, Trinity House etc. Therefore the marine sector did not know about the creation of the new Osborne Bay bathing zone until BORG and RYA flagged it up to them.

The creation of a buoyed bathing safety zone carries no legal weight except to warn vessels of the likely presence of people in the water. They exist in many locations.

There is a lot from this episode which we can do: The licensing process at MMO is not 'user friendly' on their website. You have to know what you are looking for before you look for it. You cannot trawl through to see what is being applied for easily. There seems to be little follow up to ensure license conditions are being observed. Notifications do not seem to have been sent to the people specified in the licence - why not? It should not be down to boat owners, BORG or even the RYA to ensure licence conditions are being met.

The whole thing is a mess, with MMO apparently not making clear what they expect EH to do, EH trying to grab a great deal more than they had permission for, and RYA in the middle actually doing MMOs job for them, informed by individuals on here who alerted them to what was going on.

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Well written reply, explains a lot, thanks

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

read the licence

Thanks to previous posts on this I think I might have found a half decent way to get to the docs without registering:

Clicky here:
https://marinelicensing.marinemanagement.org.uk/mmo/fox/live/MMO_PUBLIC_REGISTER/search?area=3

Search the text for: MLA/2012/00050

I haven't read this yet. (In fact I'm saving it for winter.)

 

[l'escargot]

Thanks to previous posts on this I think I might have found a way to link to the docs without registering:


https://marinelicensing.marinemanag...vx_dknHYeYZK&xfsessionid=sid_e1hEPV_dknHYeYZK

Can someone confirm this works for everyone?

Failing that:

Clicky here:
https://marinelicensing.marinemanagement.org.uk/mmo/fox/live/MMO_PUBLIC_REGISTER/search?area=3

Search the text for: MLA/2012/00050

I haven't read this yet. (In fact I'm saving it for winter.)

The first link gives me 'Application Error" (on iPad) the second one takes me to the list of applications and then you still have to find the right one and download the individual documents (which I haven't been able to open on iPad but have on PC/Laptop). It really is a crap website.

 

[BelleSerene]

Too tempting...

Too tempting on Sunday lunchtime to use one of the four 'mooring buoys' that Osborne Bay has laid under its newly granted permission expressly for that purpose. Pic below.

The buoy may not be inflatable as its licence requires, but it serves as a perfectly useable mooring buoy as its licence states it is.

I draw 1.8m; was more than fine some three hours after HW Springs with a good couple of metres left under the keel.