Instructions not to anchor in Osbourne bay

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Received from MCA via Solent Coastguard:


I was passed a copy of your message received by MCA HQ this morning.

Having discussed the mater with my Operations Team at Solent Coastguard I can confirm these buoys were only brought to our attention yesterday afternoon on the back of monitoring VHF working channel conversations.

Just after midday today Solent Coastguard received a call from the Radio Navigation Warnings section at the Hydrographer, asking if we had any information regarding these marks. We have created an incident to be able to collate information in case it becomes an ongoing issue. We have explained to Hydrographer that the matter does not fall within HM Coastguard's remit, but falls under the auspices of Queen's Harbour Master Portsmouth. With that in mind I have cc:d QHM to this e-mail.

My team have been able to identify that English Heritage have declared a Marine Conservation Area in Osborne Bay and are instructing yachtsman not to anchor inside the yellow buoys that have been laid. Information is contained in a document titled King's Quay rRA no 17 Marine Conservation Zone: Selection Assessment Document on a website www.balancedseas.org.

I have attached that document for your perusal and you may be able to source more information from the site. This matter falls within the responsibilities of the Harbour Authority, Hydrographer, English Heritage and potentially the Maritime & Coastguard Agencies Navigation Safety Branch.

I hope this response has helped to provide some background.

Yours sincerely,

Lee Fisher
District Operations Manager
Solent Coastguard


So English heritage has declared a no anchoring zone and instructed yachts not to anchor? This pre empts legislation and is counter to the claims elsewhere that this is voluntary.

Furthermore there is a link to the document on the balanced seas website which covers from Osbourne bay to Ryde based on kings Quay which is to the east of Osbourne bay.

This suggests to me that EH have put bouys on the bit they may own but there are wider designs of the whole area.

It is counter productive for me and Lescargot to argue whether one wants to anchor directly in front of the Osbournew beach tea shop or not, it really is the thin end of the wedge regarding anchoring over a much wider area.

Can anyone tell me what legal sanctions EH or anyone else can bring against an anchored yachts skipper.

This really is nonesense when our streets are plagued by antisocial behaivour yet for the sake of trying to escape for a bit of peace and quiet ( ok lescargot there are some jetskis) yet we risk being criminalised.
 
If you weren't aware of the whole Maritime Conservation Zone debacle then you need to talk to Old Harry and look at his group's website at http://boatownersresponse.org.uk/

In the meantime, please could you stop continually creating new threads about this same topic? It makes it hard to keep track and consolidate the facts.

Pete
 
If threads get too long then no one reads beyond the first few pages and I think this is so important that I am trying to keep it at the top of the forum lists.
 
chubby said:
If threads get too long then no one reads beyond the first few pages and I think this is so important that I am trying to keep it at the top of the forum lists.
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All you will end up doing is annoying people so that they ignore you.

Pete
 
Chubby,

so which thread shall we keep to ?

This latest is really OTT, if English Heritage can just up and claim an MCZ on everyones' seabed, I'll declare a Morris Dancing Zone on Osborne lawn and charge spectators, no problem, anyone can do anything !
 
chubby said:
Received from MCA via Solent Coastguard:


I was passed a copy of your message received by MCA HQ this morning.

Having discussed the mater with my Operations Team at Solent Coastguard I can confirm these buoys were only brought to our attention yesterday afternoon on the back of monitoring VHF working channel conversations.

Just after midday today Solent Coastguard received a call from the Radio Navigation Warnings section at the Hydrographer, asking if we had any information regarding these marks. We have created an incident to be able to collate information in case it becomes an ongoing issue. We have explained to Hydrographer that the matter does not fall within HM Coastguard's remit, but falls under the auspices of Queen's Harbour Master Portsmouth. With that in mind I have cc:d QHM to this e-mail.

My team have been able to identify that English Heritage have declared a Marine Conservation Area in Osborne Bay and are instructing yachtsman not to anchor inside the yellow buoys that have been laid. Information is contained in a document titled King's Quay rRA no 17 Marine Conservation Zone: Selection Assessment Document on a website www.balancedseas.org.

I have attached that document for your perusal and you may be able to source more information from the site. This matter falls within the responsibilities of the Harbour Authority, Hydrographer, English Heritage and potentially the Maritime & Coastguard Agencies Navigation Safety Branch.

I hope this response has helped to provide some background.

Yours sincerely,

Lee Fisher
District Operations Manager
Solent Coastguard


So English heritage has declared a no anchoring zone and instructed yachts not to anchor? This pre empts legislation and is counter to the claims elsewhere that this is voluntary.

Furthermore there is a link to the document on the balanced seas website which covers from Osbourne bay to Ryde based on kings Quay which is to the east of Osbourne bay.

This suggests to me that EH have put bouys on the bit they may own but there are wider designs of the whole area.

It is counter productive for me and Lescargot to argue whether one wants to anchor directly in front of the Osbournew beach tea shop or not, it really is the thin end of the wedge regarding anchoring over a much wider area.

Can anyone tell me what legal sanctions EH or anyone else can bring against an anchored yachts skipper.

This really is nonesense when our streets are plagued by antisocial behaivour yet for the sake of trying to escape for a bit of peace and quiet ( ok lescargot there are some jetskis) yet we risk being criminalised.
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MCA have got that wrong. That is a totally different area east of the one currently under discussion and isn't marked by buoys - The Kings Quay MCZ is not the area buoyed off in front of the beach in Osborne* Bay.

The application details for the area in Osborne Bay are on the MMO site, go here: https://marinelicensing.marinemanagement.org.uk/mmo/fox/live/MMO_PUBLIC_REGISTER/search?area=3 and scroll down about 3/4 of the page until you find "English Heritage" in column 3 for details.

Someone else linked to a document about the Kings Quay area in another thread and I really can't be bothered to go back and find it.

This is what happens with uninformed people make assumptions and use the scatter gun approach to involve everyone and their wife. Everything becomes confused and starts to turn into a farce.

*Just a minor irritation - there is no "u" in Osborne. Let's at least identify it correctly.
 
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I would happily take advice, this one has the best title but the pictures one has 10 pages?

I was expecting a view from the forum moderators, perhaps they can consolidate the threads or make a stickly thread although to be honest the studland one is at the top of the page and doesnt catch my attention so much. I was also expected to be told to xxxx off by the authorities and have my comments removed from the EH facebook page!!!!

I must admit to being very angry and feeling bloody minded after encountering megaphone man on monday but i realise others have been through all this with Studland and the BORG website is actually very well put together with well made points put far more eloquently than I could and I in no way want to detract from their hard work.

thanks to all for their contributions and also for posting on the Mobo forum, perhaps this is one thing that unites us.

John
 
chubby said:
Received from MCA via Solent Coastguard:
We have created an incident to be able to collate information in case it becomes an ongoing issue. We have explained to Hydrographer that the matter does not fall within HM Coastguard's remit, but falls under the auspices of Queen's Harbour Master Portsmouth. With that in mind I have cc:d QHM to this e-mail.
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No offence to the PBI involved, but MCA, CG, QHM, and EH (and the "Hydrographer†") are all funded out of <Daily Wail> our taxes</DW>.

Maybe Mr Right Hand could arrange a "listening exercise" with Mr Left Hand, and get things a bit more joined up.

† I hear that word, and I imagine a Rear Admiral (not quite rtd.) checking the incoming hand-drawn surveys from blokes in longboats (with tricorn hats), before they are committed to print :-)
 
l'escargot said:
MCA have got that wrong. That is a totally different area east of the one currently under discussion and isn't marked by buoys - The Kings Quay MCZ is not the area buoyed off in front of the beach in Osborne* Bay.

The application details for the area in Osborne Bay are on the MMO site, go here: https://marinelicensing.marinemanagement.org.uk/mmo/fox/live/MMO_PUBLIC_REGISTER/search?area=3 and scroll down about 3/4 of the page until you find "English Heritage" in column 3 for details.

Someone else linked to a document about the Kings Quay area in another thread and I really can't be bothered to go back and find it.

This is what happens with uninformed people make assumptions and use the scatter gun approach to involve everyone and their wife. Everything becomes confused and starts to turn into a farce.

*Just a minor irritation - there is no "u" in Osborne. Let's at least identify it correctly.
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Doesn't exactly instil faith in me regarding the Coastguard management. I thought the argument of keeping regional centres open was local knowledge. I accept that he's simply passing on information when he says "My team have been able to identify that English Heritage have declared a Marine Conservation Area in Osborne Bay and are instructing yachtsman not to anchor inside the yellow buoys that have been laid" but a note saying he had passed on this fact to QHM would be nice, if not an acknowledge that English heritage can;t go around arbitrarily declaring No Anchor Zones wherever they feel like. As for the King's Quay/Osborne thing - I hope he doesn't dispatch lifeboats...
 
grumpy_o_g said:
Doesn't exactly instil faith in me regarding the Coastguard management. I thought the argument of keeping regional centres open was local knowledge. I accept that he's simply passing on information when he says "My team have been able to identify that English Heritage have declared a Marine Conservation Area in Osborne Bay and are instructing yachtsman not to anchor inside the yellow buoys that have been laid" but a note saying he had passed on this fact to QHM would be nice, if not an acknowledge that English heritage can;t go around arbitrarily declaring No Anchor Zones wherever they feel like. As for the King's Quay/Osborne thing - I hope he doesn't dispatch lifeboats...
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Does :

With that in mind I have cc:d QHM to this e-mail.
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not meet "passed this fact to QHM" ?
 
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Freshbreeze said:
exercise your right to freedom of movement. just carry on regardless and pretend you was never aware of any restrictions.....:D:D:D:D
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the no mooring sign on the buoys is less than clear

it could just mean that you are not allowed to moor to the buoys themselves

When I come back through the solent next decade I shall go and drop an anchor there

D
 
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Well, there's a nice story on the PBO site now with some clear advice from the RYA. I was one (of many, I expect) who asked them for their opinion.

I have some sympathy with L'Escargot's point that claiming the whole sea exclusively for yachts is no better than claiming it exclusively for seahorses. However, given the location of the buoys several hundred yards from the shore, this clearly isn't just a marked swimming area like the ones that operate uncontroversially at, say, Yarmouth. If English Heritage had done that, it would probably have gone unnoticed here or even perhaps a "well done for finally letting people use the beach".

If and when we do operate inside their voluntary zone, we should be careful to stay well clear of any swimmers. Since most of the area is much further out than most people would want to swim, that shouldn't pose a problem.

Pete
 
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prv said:
If and when we do operate inside their voluntary zone, we should be careful to stay well clear of any swimmers. Since most of the area is much further out than most people would want to swim, that shouldn't pose a problem.

Pete
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In France there is a general principle that you do not moor less than 300m from the shore and that this area is available to swimmers with marked channels for dinghies, windsurfers etc that need to beach.

It is more or (probably) less complied with. The swimming zones are normally delimited by yellow buoys.
 
grumpy_o_g said:
It does. I unreservedly withdraw that part of my comments and offer my humble apologies to yourself and any other coastguard personnel , or indeed anyone at al I may have offended.
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That is very much appreciated.

We're in one of those "no win" situations on this, people look to us and expect us to have some sort of power / input over these things, but in reality the MCA's Navigation Safety branch would deal with this, rather than HMCG. I understand we all look the same organisation!

I am sure Lee and his team at Solent will make sure the relevant people re aware of this.

Oh, and I'd trust them all to launch lifeboats ;)
 
Sybarite said:
In France there is a general principle that you do not moor less than 300m from the shore and that this area is available to swimmers with marked channels for dinghies, windsurfers etc that need to beach.

It is more or (probably) less complied with. The swimming zones are normally delimited by yellow buoys.
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Shanklin and Sandown have areas marked with yellow buoys at 300 yards, Totland and Colwell also have the same byelaw but I don't think they put out the buoys. The areas aren't policed and most boaters completely ignore them - perhaps if we had the CRS on lifeguard duties things would be different :)
 
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