Installing an anchor winch battery

the proper way to do it

I hesitate to contribute to this string in the light of some of the heated exchanges elsewhare in the string. But having decided to put in my penny's worth I might as well do it with confidence!

The best combination is to put a separate battery up front, add a 12volt to 12volt charger up front with the battery and then run a modest twin-core cable back to the main batteries. The max current draw will be about 8 amps so the twin cable does not need to be very large and will be very much easier, and cheaper, to run through the boat than the alternative method of using heavy cables capable of carrying the full load of the windlass in use.

Re the alternative of simply having a charging cable for an auxilliary battery up in the bows. Be careful about assuming that you do not need a decent size of cable for simply "charging" the auxiliary battery since, once the windlass is operating it will impose a load on the aux battery which in turn will lead to a voltage drop at that battery which will then "suck" power from the main batteries via the charging cable. If the engine is running then the amount of power available for the aux battery to draw will be high, possibly right up to the max output of the alternator depending on engine revs and alternator gearing and specification. At that point the "only for charging" cables to the aux battery will need to be heavy enough to take a much bigger current than envisaged and will get very hot if not sized correctly. Even if the engine is not running the draw down the charging cable can be enough to exceed their power rating. You might not want to worry about a bit of overheating, but as you only expect to do this job once you might as well do it properly and not take chances with cables being taken above their rated capacity.

Of course, if the aux battery is physically disconnected from the main batteries when the windlass is used the issue described above will not apply, but it seems to be counter-intuitive to disconnect a battery from a charging source at bexactly the time you are going to take a heavy current load from it.

On my boat the disruption, dismantling and rebuilding required to run heavy cables was out of the question, so I went the solid state 12v to 12v charger route as recommended by ADVERC and it works beautifully. In addition, the cost of the charger from ADVERC at about £100 did not change the overall cost very much as the saving on the massive cable required for my 1200watt windlass was significant. (I think it finally cost me less, but I did not keep the detailed costings.

Hope this helps and I will not be offended by the responses from others with even stronger opinions (I will simply ignore them....)
 
The best combination is to put a separate battery up front,

Depends how you define 'best'. Definitely not best for me as space for a battery forward in my boat is very limited and what there is is premium stowage space. It was barely more difficult to run flexible welding cable than small wires. Weight forward is already higher than I would prefer thanks to plenty of chain for long-term cruising, so adding the weight of a battery would not be desirable.
 
The best combination is to put a separate battery up front, add a 12volt to 12volt charger up front with the battery and then run a modest twin-core cable back to the main batteries.

Your solution obviously works for you, but I'd disagree that it's the "best combination" for everyone. But you're right to highlight, as I have, the popular fallacy that "charging cables" need only be lightweight.

In terms of cost, the cables required for your 1200w windlass would have cost about the same as your alternative solution. But for most readers of this forum, running cables from the main battery will still be the cheapest and simplest way to power a windlass.
 
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Small cables on the winch itself

Great posts guys. I'm reading them all, and all the links. One thing I really dont understand is that the winch itself has tails leading from the casing that are really small (Less than automotive lights cable.) Given the posts above, what's that all about.

The other thing is that the local wiring diagram shows some of the wiring between winch, solenoids and things and gives L=L1+L2+l3 etc, which implies that I need this length when installing on boat to chose wiring size. I assume that L goes into one of those equations I never learn at school about amps , volts etc, or is it more about the amp loss per metre that you have been talking about?
Any further guidance very welcome
The winch is an Italian "Quick 300" model. I,ll try and post a link to the diagram
 
To Mudisocx

I think somebody sent me a private message but I,m reading these on a little iPad that notified me but then stopped me accessing the message a d then it disappeared. sorry if it was you trying to help
 
Great posts guys. I'm reading them all, and all the links. One thing I really dont understand is that the winch itself has tails leading from the casing that are really small (Less than automotive lights cable.) Given the posts above, what's that all about.

The other thing is that the local wiring diagram shows some of the wiring between winch, solenoids and things and gives L=L1+L2+l3 etc, which implies that I need this length when installing on boat to chose wiring size. I assume that L goes into one of those equations I never learn at school about amps , volts etc, or is it more about the amp loss per metre that you have been talking about?
Any further guidance very welcome
The winch is an Italian "Quick 300" model. I,ll try and post a link to the diagram

all the installation manuals can be downloaded from here

http://www.quickitaly.com/?lng=us&ms1=12&ms2=52&ms3=7&cs1=0&cs2=2

there are 3 current models with 300 designations - you will need to confirm which you have.

you have wiring options for controls as well as solenoid and cut-out/breaker on top of the main power/earth cables
 
Great posts guys. I'm reading them all, and all the links. One thing I really dont understand is that the winch itself has tails leading from the casing that are really small (Less than automotive lights cable.) Given the posts above, what's that all about.

The wire tails on the windlass are meant to be connected to a control box. They can be lighter cable than the main feed cables because they're short, and will give very little voltage drop. In contrast, the length of the main feed cables means that they have to be heavyweight if the voltage drop is to be kept low.


The other thing is that the local wiring diagram shows some of the wiring between winch, solenoids and things and gives L=L1+L2+l3 etc, which implies that I need this length when installing on boat to chose wiring size. I assume that L goes into one of those equations I never learn at school about amps , volts etc, or is it more about the amp loss per metre that you have been talking about?
Any further guidance very welcome
The winch is an Italian "Quick 300" model. I,ll try and post a link to the diagram

You should find that the technical data table in your installation instructions will give a cable size recommendation for the main feed cables. Typically, it will say that this recommended cable size is for use when L<20m (where L is the sum of L1, L2, etc, measured in metres). In other words, they are helping you with a recommended cable size.
 
http://www.quickitaly.com/?lng=us&ms1=10&ms2=8&cs1=1&cs2=8&ctm=226
What seems strange, see page36 ,is that one of the very thin leads as shown on left are shown going to battery?
Will have to go offline now, iPad battery is going!
Keep posting guys I'llread them soon

Not sure what your link was meant to be. If you're talking about p34 of the installation manual, the thin wires are for a chain counter. The main motor wires go to the control box.
 
To pvb

Yes sorry the link was wrong. Trying to do "cut & paste" & such by tapping an iPads
screen on a moving deck is clearly beyond my clumsy fingers.
Your second point, yes, I now see that what I thought was a handheld controller is also a mobile chain counter
in other words Ido not have to worry about these thin wires at all at this point
 
I hesitate to contribute to this string in the light of some of the heated exchanges elsewhare in the string. But having decided to put in my penny's worth I might as well do it with confidence!

The best combination is to put a separate battery up front, add a 12volt to 12volt charger up front with the battery and then run a modest twin-core cable back to the main batteries. The max current draw will be about 8 amps so the twin cable does not need to be very large and will be very much easier, and cheaper, to run through the boat than the alternative method of using heavy cables capable of carrying the full load of the windlass in use.

Re the alternative of simply having a charging cable for an auxilliary battery up in the bows. Be careful about assuming that you do not need a decent size of cable for simply "charging" the auxiliary battery since, once the windlass is operating it will impose a load on the aux battery which in turn will lead to a voltage drop at that battery which will then "suck" power from the main batteries via the charging cable. If the engine is running then the amount of power available for the aux battery to draw will be high, possibly right up to the max output of the alternator depending on engine revs and alternator gearing and specification. At that point the "only for charging" cables to the aux battery will need to be heavy enough to take a much bigger current than envisaged and will get very hot if not sized correctly. Even if the engine is not running the draw down the charging cable can be enough to exceed their power rating. You might not want to worry about a bit of overheating, but as you only expect to do this job once you might as well do it properly and not take chances with cables being taken above their rated capacity.

Of course, if the aux battery is physically disconnected from the main batteries when the windlass is used the issue described above will not apply, but it seems to be counter-intuitive to disconnect a battery from a charging source at bexactly the time you are going to take a heavy current load from it.

On my boat the disruption, dismantling and rebuilding required to run heavy cables was out of the question, so I went the solid state 12v to 12v charger route as recommended by ADVERC and it works beautifully. In addition, the cost of the charger from ADVERC at about £100 did not change the overall cost very much as the saving on the massive cable required for my 1200watt windlass was significant. (I think it finally cost me less, but I did not keep the detailed costings.

Hope this helps and I will not be offended by the responses from others with even stronger opinions (I will simply ignore them....)

Another vote for the ADVERC 12/12 volt charging system. I use the same for my bow thruster battery, so the main battery's charge up and then the bow thruster one. I just give the equipment a random check to ensure that that the green light is flashing.
 
But for most readers of this forum, running cables from the main battery will still be the cheapest and simplest way to power a windlass.

Or, I might add, that running cables WILL be cheap if and only if the boat has sufficient battery capacity to accommodate the new load with some margin of safety. Not being able to raise your anchor at night during a storm because you ran the cabin lights and your radio for a number of hours isn't worth the savings of space or money - if you have a boat that is under-ampered in battery capacity.

On my 32' boat, I decided to install a forward battery, breaker, and fuse for a bowthruster because I wanted to know that IT would always work when I need it to (full keels are a pain in marinas). I also added a dedicated engine start battery, because again, I want to KNOW that I can start it. The leisure batteries are small and aged...but they only run low amp equipment, and I can always charge them if I can start the engine.

So I guess the point is to not just consider the cables and costs, but to consider the overall energy budget of the boat, and the required reliability of what it is you are powering.
 
Or, I might add, that running cables WILL be cheap if and only if the boat has sufficient battery capacity to accommodate the new load with some margin of safety. Not being able to raise your anchor at night during a storm because you ran the cabin lights and your radio for a number of hours isn't worth the savings of space or money - if you have a boat that is under-ampered in battery capacity.

If that's a concern, the windlass can be wired to the engine start battery. In most cases, people run the engine during anchoring, so the windlass load will largely be supplied by the alternator.
 
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