michael_w
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The sainted Pardys also reccomend that you don't have an engine in your boat either.
Dinghy, liferaft and an EPIRB. All vital bits of kit.
Dinghy, liferaft and an EPIRB. All vital bits of kit.
Inflatable tender Vs liferaft?
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davesimmons
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I agree with all that but would add, depending on time of year, 30 minutes may be stretching it and if you swim - you lose heat even faster!
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If you swim you lose heat even faster /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I always assumed that swimming would promote blood flow and generate (or retain) more heat?
(get ready for “don’t make an ASS out of YOU and ME” type joke)
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I agree with all that but would add, depending on time of year, 30 minutes may be stretching it and if you swim - you lose heat even faster!
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If you swim you lose heat even faster /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I always assumed that swimming would promote blood flow and generate (or retain) more heat?
(get ready for “don’t make an ASS out of YOU and ME” type joke)
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peterb26
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I agree with all that but would add, depending on time of year, 30 minutes may be stretching it and if you swim - you lose heat even faster!
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Thats a point very well made Gludy. The correct process is to wrap your hands across your chest and try to keep as still as possible. This conserves heat just a tiny bit.
More importantly however, HM Coastguard in the UK have fantastic facilities for "working out where you are" if they know where and when you fell in.
If you actually swim any distance, then this is something that their program cannot factor in and makes finding you an even more difficult process.
Anyway - if the weather is poor and you havent got a spray hood to your LJ, then you're gonna drown anyway from either primary or secondary drowning..... God I enjoy boating!
I agree with all that but would add, depending on time of year, 30 minutes may be stretching it and if you swim - you lose heat even faster!
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Thats a point very well made Gludy. The correct process is to wrap your hands across your chest and try to keep as still as possible. This conserves heat just a tiny bit.
More importantly however, HM Coastguard in the UK have fantastic facilities for "working out where you are" if they know where and when you fell in.
If you actually swim any distance, then this is something that their program cannot factor in and makes finding you an even more difficult process.
Anyway - if the weather is poor and you havent got a spray hood to your LJ, then you're gonna drown anyway from either primary or secondary drowning..... God I enjoy boating!
nonitoo
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As you say, I just Googled this -
http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070228101448blog_andrew_bray.html
http://www.yachting-world.com/yw/blog/20070228101448blog_andrew_bray.html
Gludy
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Nope Dave - you lose heat even faster if you swim plus the other points about being found.
As the subjectt has been raised about spray hoods - frankly everyone should have spray hoods integrated in with their life jackets but I bet very few have!
I was once told how a fishing crew drowned despite being found withing 30 minutes - because of splash drowning that could have been avoided with spray hoods.
As the subjectt has been raised about spray hoods - frankly everyone should have spray hoods integrated in with their life jackets but I bet very few have!
I was once told how a fishing crew drowned despite being found withing 30 minutes - because of splash drowning that could have been avoided with spray hoods.
Poignard
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The sainted Pardys also reccomend that you don't have an engine in your boat either.
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Note quite true. They suggest you consider whether you really need one. Personally I do, not being an unemployed liveaboard with loads of spare time!
The sainted Pardys also reccomend that you don't have an engine in your boat either.
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Note quite true. They suggest you consider whether you really need one. Personally I do, not being an unemployed liveaboard with loads of spare time!
Bajansailor
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If I had a choice, I would go for one of these Portland Pudgies at http://www.portlandpudgy.com/ (or a home-made variation) instead of a liferaft or inflatable tender.
Andrew_Fanner
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I'm curious.
As I am now based inland and therefore a liferaft is mostly ornamental or a thief attractant unless out in the salty bits the argument in its favour weakens. Can one hire such things for a fortnight or what have you?
How much does a liferaft cost to service? If size matters I have three children so guess it would be a six man job if I bit the bullet and bought one.
As I am now based inland and therefore a liferaft is mostly ornamental or a thief attractant unless out in the salty bits the argument in its favour weakens. Can one hire such things for a fortnight or what have you?
How much does a liferaft cost to service? If size matters I have three children so guess it would be a six man job if I bit the bullet and bought one.
oceanfroggie
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Getting more adventurous sees me thinking about liferafts. Anyone got any views about using a permanently inflated tender for the job?
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EDIT - woops - I think that sub-forum needs registration - sorry, but good discussion on the raft/dingy subject there.
Getting more adventurous sees me thinking about liferafts. Anyone got any views about using a permanently inflated tender for the job?
[/ QUOTE ]I refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous answer /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
EDIT - woops - I think that sub-forum needs registration - sorry, but good discussion on the raft/dingy subject there.
ShipsWoofy
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please tell me, after reading this thread as I have, would those who demand everyone carry a liferaft, tell me what right you have to expect someone else to save you when things go wrong?
To consider a raft as essential kit surely assumes you do believe that yes/no?
To consider a raft as essential kit surely assumes you do believe that yes/no?
ccscott49
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I have a liferaft and a dinghy anyway. As for the Pardey principal, you have to be commited to having your solid dinghy, collar and having sails etc for it, plus plus. Most people here are talking about a different type of cruising and boating, whats good for deep ocean Pardeys and day to day sailors are completely different things. What with EPIRBs and stuff these days, maybe it's getting to easy to be rescued?
Also If you are in the middle of the pacific, there are different priorities, to hold up the Pardey method as being the complete answer is ludicrous!
Dont believe everything you read about them.
I have met them on numerous occasions.
Also If you are in the middle of the pacific, there are different priorities, to hold up the Pardey method as being the complete answer is ludicrous!
Dont believe everything you read about them.
I have met them on numerous occasions.
nonitoo
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Dogwatch,
I certainly would not insist that anyone carry anything but regarding the 'right to expect anyone to save you when something goes wrong' this is not really a right more an expectation that a fellow seafarer will help someone in trouble.
This is not unreasonable to have as an expectation - it is part of the common lore and behaviour of the sea.
If you have taken the trouble to equip yourself with Life Saving Gear (of whatever sort) then there will be something to rescue, if not, then I suppose someone will come and pick up the bodies.
In addition the MCA and RNLI pride themselves in taking the initiative when the wheels come off and help is needed and I am happy to contribute to the RNLI coffers for this very help (always hoping it will never be necessary).
Tom
I certainly would not insist that anyone carry anything but regarding the 'right to expect anyone to save you when something goes wrong' this is not really a right more an expectation that a fellow seafarer will help someone in trouble.
This is not unreasonable to have as an expectation - it is part of the common lore and behaviour of the sea.
If you have taken the trouble to equip yourself with Life Saving Gear (of whatever sort) then there will be something to rescue, if not, then I suppose someone will come and pick up the bodies.
In addition the MCA and RNLI pride themselves in taking the initiative when the wheels come off and help is needed and I am happy to contribute to the RNLI coffers for this very help (always hoping it will never be necessary).
Tom
MedDreamer
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i think you have addressed you reply to the wrong post
Poignard
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...to hold up the Pardey method as being the complete answer is ludicrous!...
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Has anyone actually done that?
...to hold up the Pardey method as being the complete answer is ludicrous!...
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Has anyone actually done that?
