In all but name !!!

Re:Is the title more important than the lesson?

Feel sure that I would gain something from doing either the Coastal or Day skipper course and will prob do one of them sooner or later in order to learn summat new, so would not feel it demeaning to be called a day skipper or any thing else for that matter.Tend to think that if the name of the course is putting someone off then maybe the title is more important to them than any lesson learnt.

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Re:Is the title more important than the lesson?

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Re:Is the title more important than the lesson?

I'm glad someones pointed that out. I've been e biting my tongue all day. Its not what its called its not even the course. The important thing is what you know and how you put it into practice.
Do you remember a couple of years ago that TV prog about drivers. Co car drivers ,van drivers, lorry drivers etc. Well sorry chaps but this smacks of that.

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Re:Is the title more important than the lesson?

Fair point, I was happy to get Day Skipper under my belt and I learned a lot from the course. However to give it a perhaps, more exciting name would not go amiss
DS suggests perhaps you can cruise for a day in daytime only, and should you cruise for a week non stop, or should you be a Weak sorry Week Skipper/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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i think that a uniform should go with the sucsesfull qualification.
white hat + embelisments , braid ect
dark blue / navy, trousers & double-breasted jacket + a gold band for each qualification gained sewn to the right sleeve.
a furled umbrella would be optional as would be a Suunto G.P.S. watch


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Me thinks I have opened up a can of "contraversial" worms here.

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Re:Is the title more important than the lesson?

Suspect the more actual experience you have,the less worried you become about nomenclature./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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And some sort of dark blue flaggy just to rub in your much elevated status over the rest

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You can be borrowing the dickshunary i liberated from skool if you want./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Re:Yes but

So if the title of the course (DS) doesnt put you off, how come you havent taken one yet? is it cos your a tight Oldgit/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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I was relying on there being some money in my christmas cards......sigh.

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Parrot brains?

Well I certainly don't know what rules you are reading but some make absolutely no sense, and have no logic to them. Of course some who learn like parrots would not understand the lack of logic in them, others who are analytical and logical would clearly see what has developed into a heap of a mess over the years, and see that there could be much easier ways of setting out the rules. Of course we are too far down the road for changing the rules with any ease, so we have to hope that all new readers of the rules also have parrot type brains, it does not stop us critisicing the heap of a mess and nonsense our ancestors left us with /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Well I got 96% or so in my Rules of the Road exam so I guess I must be related to a parrot down the line somewhere /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Anyway just got back from night school and the weather lessons are much more logical and interesting, at least Cumulonimbus, Cirro, Nimbo and Alto Stratus make sense /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Re: Parrot brains?

Our ancestors didnt leave us these rules. They were drawn up by an international conference on safety at sea in 1972
So, exactly what bits did you find had no logic or no sense then? Come on, be precise

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It's the experience and knowledge that counts, anyone who is so concerned about a title is probably the same type that wants to fly an ensign, all shallow and complete nonsense if you ask me. Now how about some good practical advice for a change, it seems the long dark cold nights are having an effect on some brain cells around here

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Gaaaaad, I think your name is a contradiction in terms, I bet you are a joy to your tutor, do you sit there slagging his course every time he opens his mouth. You seem to have all the answers!

Also, I thought we were all required to fly an ensign, so we are all shallow now??

Would you be so kind as to give me all this good old practical advice? I am up for a change.... /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

I found my course to be very valuable indeed, I came into boating with no knowledge at all and the course got me off on the right foot to go out and get some experience.....

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Pete

I think the RYA had intended to update their courses this year to focus more on electronic navigation but their material wasn't ready in time.

Which rules in particular do you think are outdated? The only one I can think of is displaying anchor balls and the power cone on a motoring yacht - both seem to me to be too small to see but I am sure someone else on the water sees these as important and keeps them (and by implication me) safer

Its its not broken we shouldn't try to fix it

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The rules are mainly the lights and shapes. Don't get me wrng I understand that we are stuck with what we have and I have learned those, but there is no logic to most of them and it is clear that over the years they have been added to leaving us with the mess me have.

With regards to a chart, you are just as likely to have that spoiled on board or even blown overboard, what would you do then? Again don't get me wrong I have all the paper charts of the South Coast and Medway that I boat in, I also have the correct equipment to use these and hopefully the full knowledge after I have completed my course. What is madness is that fact that the great advance and availablity of Chart plotters is NOT catered for, these are far more important to safety, easier to use and accurate (as long as, as you say, the satellite's are working). It would be far easier educating people in the use of a chart plotter than the long laborious manual chart work including secondary ports. My plotter has all the tides in it, and is far easier to use in my kind of boat than a bl..dy chart.

Some people may like playing with charts and pretending to others they are clever, well I am trained or being trained to be competent in these, but I see it as old fashioned and will always use my plotter and laptop as No 1. I would trust this far more than some egotistic person trying to show me how he thinks he can use a chart. Don't get me wrong, I know there are a lot of capable people out there that can use charts, I am talking about beginners who will not have had the benefit of years of HAVING to use charts before GPS was around. Ignorance is the main part I believe, a lot of the old school are blinkered into their old ways, also a few who by no fault of their own perhaps cannot afford a plotter, who will knock them, as they cannot afford one. There is no doubt that a plotter used corrrectly and receiving the correct signal on a sports boat is far safer, than mucking about at speed with paper nonsense blowing about.

A bit like people who like to do manual calculations without a calculator, why? I guess they have the time, I don't, and will always use the best available technology available to me.

I hope this clarifies a few points, all IMHO of course.

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The rules are mainly the lights and shapes. Don't get me wrng I understand that we are stuck with what we have and I have learned those, but there is no logic to most of them and it is clear that over the years they have been added to leaving us with the mess me have.

With regards to a chart, you are just as likely to have that spoiled on board or even blown overboard, what would you do then? Again don't get me wrong I have all the paper charts of the South Coast and Medway that I boat in, I also have the correct equipment to use these and hopefully the full knowledge after I have completed my course. What is madness is that fact that the great advance and availablity of Chart plotters is NOT catered for, these are far more important to safety, easier to use and accurate (as long as, as you say, the satellite's are working). It would be far easier educating people in the use of a chart plotter than the long laborious manual chart work including secondary ports. My plotter has all the tides in it, and is far easier to use in my kind of boat than a bl..dy chart.

Some people may like playing with charts and pretending to others they are clever, well I am trained or being trained to be competent in these, but I see it as old fashioned and will always use my plotter and laptop as No 1. I would trust this far more than some egotistic person trying to show me how he thinks he can use a chart. Don't get me wrong, I know there are a lot of capable people out there that can use charts, I am talking about beginners who will not have had the benefit of years of HAVING to use charts before GPS was around. Ignorance is the main part I believe, a lot of the old school are blinkered into their old ways, also a few who by no fault of their own perhaps cannot afford a plotter, who will knock them, as they cannot afford one. There is no doubt that a plotter used corrrectly and receiving the correct signal on a sports boat is far safer, than mucking about at speed with paper nonsense blowing about.

Please note I am referring to sports boats, not yachts where perhaps using a paper chart is one way of passing the time until some wind appears /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Perhaps it is a bit like people who like to do manual calculations without a calculator, why? I guess they have the time, I don't, and will always use the best available technology available to me, but with time it will come to all.

I hope this clarifies a few points, all IMHO of course.

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Pete

I agree with the argument that you make and I think most people use GPS as their primary method of navigation. As I mentioned above I think the only reason that the RYA does not give much emphasis to electronic navigation is because they arebehind in preparing their material.

With your background I am sure you appreciate the need for plan B and if plan B is dependant on the same tachnology as plan A it is not a safe alternative. So understanding and use of paper charts is vital for anyone undertaking a sea passage IMHO.



Martyn





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