charles_reed
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Which is reminiscent of "Whisky Galore"
If you own a mooring you need to read this.
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neil_s
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I notice that in section 4.1 of the minutes, Neil Wellum says 'There remains in place an exemption from the requirement to have a marine licence to deposit a mooring in the sea, provided the area in question is under the control of a harbour or lighthouse authority'. I guess that means that the harbour authority (Chichester Harbour Conservancy?) will gain approval for their mooring pattern and those of us who have mooring sites rented from such an authority will have to arrange for our mooring tackle to comply with that pattern. On a first look this doesn't sound too bad but maybe this new legislation might be a good excuse for those harbour authorities to claw back rented mooring sites, as I know Chi harbour have tried to do in the past.
He also says that anchoring is exempt from requiring a license which comes as some relief!
I also notice that the Studland bay site is probably not going to be the reference site for seahorses - due to the on-going discussions. Well done BORG and others!
Thanks for the tip-off, Old Harry, and Seajet.
Neil (Andiamo)
He also says that anchoring is exempt from requiring a license which comes as some relief!
I also notice that the Studland bay site is probably not going to be the reference site for seahorses - due to the on-going discussions. Well done BORG and others!
Thanks for the tip-off, Old Harry, and Seajet.
Neil (Andiamo)
oldharry
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Thats seems to be right NeilS Section 4.1.66 of the MCAA 2009 specifies that 'Marine works' on or under the seabed are a 'Licensable activity', unless carried out by a Harbour Authority, or Lighthouse Authority. MMOs own explanatory notes page 9 http://www.marinemanagement.org.uk/licensing/documents/guidance/02.pdf
Makes it clear that the laying of moorings comes under this legislation.
I have asked the MMO for further clarification of a) A yacht Club, such as Seajets, which lays its own moorings within the jurisdiction of a Harbour Authority, and b) those few of you mostly in Lancashire I think who have your own moorings in uncontrolled waters. Any eastcoasters in this position?
I also asked about the 'fastrack' option suggested earlier, and whether owners of private unregulated moorings can form any sort of Association which would be recongiseable by MMO as a Moorings authority. Neil Wellum commented at the meeting that the normal licensing Procedure is a 'lengthy and costly procedure'. Clearly designed for large companies, not individuals it seems.
If it proves there is no such provision, for private individuals then we need to get going on this pronto. I am wondering if my own private Chi harbour mooring is now at risk, or does it come under Harbour authroity works.... maybe my own boating costs are about to rocket?
Makes it clear that the laying of moorings comes under this legislation.
I have asked the MMO for further clarification of a) A yacht Club, such as Seajets, which lays its own moorings within the jurisdiction of a Harbour Authority, and b) those few of you mostly in Lancashire I think who have your own moorings in uncontrolled waters. Any eastcoasters in this position?
I also asked about the 'fastrack' option suggested earlier, and whether owners of private unregulated moorings can form any sort of Association which would be recongiseable by MMO as a Moorings authority. Neil Wellum commented at the meeting that the normal licensing Procedure is a 'lengthy and costly procedure'. Clearly designed for large companies, not individuals it seems.
If it proves there is no such provision, for private individuals then we need to get going on this pronto. I am wondering if my own private Chi harbour mooring is now at risk, or does it come under Harbour authroity works.... maybe my own boating costs are about to rocket?
GrahamM376
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I wonder, at what point does a very large anchor, which could of course be buoyed while one goes sailing, become a "mooring"?
VicS
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As soon as you leave it with a buoy attached and go sailing.
Searush
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Old Harry,
I no longer sail the area, but the River Dee moorings at West Kirby & S to Heswall, plus those off Meols & in the River Mersey along the Wirral shore from New Brighton to New Ferry are all self-laid, as are the ones on the Welsh side of the Dee from Mostyn to Llanerch y Mor. Probably the River Alt at Formby is similar.
Do you know who the appropriate contact would be with MMO so that they can be alerted? I understand that some representatives of Wirral clubs are already involved, but are they aware of these issues?
I no longer sail the area, but the River Dee moorings at West Kirby & S to Heswall, plus those off Meols & in the River Mersey along the Wirral shore from New Brighton to New Ferry are all self-laid, as are the ones on the Welsh side of the Dee from Mostyn to Llanerch y Mor. Probably the River Alt at Formby is similar.
Do you know who the appropriate contact would be with MMO so that they can be alerted? I understand that some representatives of Wirral clubs are already involved, but are they aware of these issues?
Seajet
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Searush,
my Grandad used to swim across the Dee on his way to work and back !
Either 'they don't make 'em like that anymore' or he should have learned to sail...
my Grandad used to swim across the Dee on his way to work and back !
Either 'they don't make 'em like that anymore' or he should have learned to sail...
Joker
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Will lobster pots still be allowed?
snooks
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While the laying of moorings come under that legislation, anyone is exempt from a needing a licence if the mooring (pile, swinging, trot etc) are laid by the the Harbour Authority, or someone with the permission of the Harbour Authority.
From the linked document (also on page 9):
So as I understand it, as long as the Harbour Authority give consent (who knows whether that's, "yeah alright, there's fine mate", or something a bit more formal?), the person (be that an individual or yacht club etc) laying the mooring is exempt from needing a licence, unless it's for the deposit or construction of a pontoon.
Searush
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Searush,
my Grandad used to swim across the Dee on his way to work and back !
Either 'they don't make 'em like that anymore' or he should have learned to sail...
That depends where he crossed it! By Queensferry it's about 30mtrs, at Mostyn nearer 10 miles.
Searush
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Snooks,
Many mooring locations around the NW are not covered by any harbour authority. This is likely to be true in other locations but no mention is made of this scenario. That is the grey area that causes concern.
Will YBW be putting one of its top investigative scribblers on this hot topic?
Many mooring locations around the NW are not covered by any harbour authority. This is likely to be true in other locations but no mention is made of this scenario. That is the grey area that causes concern.
Will YBW be putting one of its top investigative scribblers on this hot topic?
snooks
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That makes a little more sense...Obvious solution is to go further north to Scotland where this isn't an issue
Dick Durham is looking into it
Phoenix of Hamble
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Another 'appropriate' question may be to understand what is needed to constitute/create a harbour authority?
LadyInBed
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Clear as mud to me!
oldharry
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Harbours - MMO's definition here: http://marinemanagement.org.uk/licensing/harbour.htm
Section 16 Harbour Orders are interesting, as they appear give the power to create a new harbour authority order. Probably expensive - I dont know - but may be less so than dozens of mooring holders having to get their moorings licensed. Maaybe our friends at Kirby and Heswall Sailing Clubs need to look in to this? Ditto Studland. But I Dont know what would be involved.
Harbour revision orders may also be a way of resurrecting former commecial ports where the Harbour Order has lapsed? Someone with legal know how needs to look at that, I think.
Aslo worth npting that MMOs licesning authority includes Welsh and Northern Irish Waters, but not Scotland.
As far as I can tell at present, recent posts are correct in the assumption the real threat lies to moorings outside the jurisdiction of a harbour authority.
Section 16 Harbour Orders are interesting, as they appear give the power to create a new harbour authority order. Probably expensive - I dont know - but may be less so than dozens of mooring holders having to get their moorings licensed. Maaybe our friends at Kirby and Heswall Sailing Clubs need to look in to this? Ditto Studland. But I Dont know what would be involved.
Harbour revision orders may also be a way of resurrecting former commecial ports where the Harbour Order has lapsed? Someone with legal know how needs to look at that, I think.
Aslo worth npting that MMOs licesning authority includes Welsh and Northern Irish Waters, but not Scotland.
As far as I can tell at present, recent posts are correct in the assumption the real threat lies to moorings outside the jurisdiction of a harbour authority.
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