If you own a mooring you need to read this.

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Many people have queried Seajets' claims that moorings will be banned in the near future. Seajet unfortunately did not himself have access to the information he needed to evidence his point, but I can understand his annoyance when people challenged what he was trying to tell us to save a great deal of potential hassle. It is a pity that he only succeeded in upsetting so many in his zeal to get his message across

The facts of the matter as regarrds are as follows:

1. This particular bit of legislation has NOTHING TO DO WITH the MCZ programme, except that it stems from the same Act of Parliament, the Marine Coastal and Access Act 2008. BORG enitrely supports the MCZ programme, and is working to ensure that conservation needs and those of leisure boat users are kept in balance where there is a conflict of interests.
2. Seajet is right to want to alert us to new legislatioin that profoundly affects every one of us who keeps a boat on a mooring. The effect will hardly be felt by those who rent their moorings from a Harbour or River Authority, except for a possible increase in fees, but for those many of us who own our own moorings, including clubs and associations there is a fundamental and potentially serious change in the law.
3. In summary: The MMO has been made the National Authority to control licensing of deposits of any kind on the seabed. ANYTHING placed on the seabed for any reason must be approved by MMO and licensed by them whethere permanent or temporary.
4. Licensing will be a lengthy and costly process. It will require the licensee to supply amongst other things:
a. An environmental impact assesment
b. Habitat Regulation appraisal
c.Evidence of Water Framework Directive compliance

Now this is the bit important to us: I have it at first hand from Neil Wellum, Head of Conservation and Enforcement at MMO that the term 'Seabed deposits' INCLUDES the laying of small boat moorings.

Moorings laid under the auspices of a Harbour or River Authority, or Trinity House will have to have type approval, which will have been agreed by that Authority with MMO. A rented mooring can therefore be expected to comply with regulations. If, like me, you own a Harbour Authority mooring licence, which allows me to lay and maintain my own mooring, the mooring tackle will HAVE to comply with the design and type approved for the Harbour – no more old railway wheels or tyres full of cement! If you are one of the few lucky people who own moorings in uncontrolled stretch of water – and a few still exist, then fundamentally you may well have had it. Existing moorings can remain, but when the time comes for replacement you will have to obtain a licence from the MMO at considerable expense. So you Lancashire types had best get yourselves together to form some sort of recognised Harbour Authority, by the looks of it! Similarly clubs which own mooring sites need to make sure they are up to speed with the new rules. Moorings that have been in existence since before 1985 do not have to comply. But IF they are lifted for repalcement, the replacement DOES.

This is why Seajet is getting so upset – as one involved in moorings in his own club he knows that many are going to lose their moorings, and I fear his impatience has over come any PR sense.

Now, you will all want to see the evidence for yourselves:

The best summary I can find is MMO's Neil Wellum's summary at a meeting with Studlanders I attended earlier this year. He explains the legal and technical position of the Studland Bay moorings, which are laid in an open sea site owned by Crown Estates, who never bothered until now to regulate them in any way: http://www.marinemanagement.org.uk/protecting/conservation/documents/studland/110414_minutes.pdf Pages 1 and 2 refer


The place to go looking for guidance starts here: http://marinemanagement.org.uk/licensing/index.htm but I warn you now its a long and tedious trail!

Although the lists do not as far as I have read specifically mention small boat moorings, the Act – But The Marine Coastal and Access Act schedule 4 most specifically does. I dont have the reference with me - I am away from home just now.

If you read on a little on the minutes of the meeting above you will see the MMO has every intention of enforcing licesning conditions throughout Uks waters. At the end of the day, they will lift and remove any illegal moorings they find.

I hope that clarifies matters a bit.
 
No clarification at all, but a nice lengthy post, thanks.
Full of supposition, but still a fair bit short on actuals.

So what if your mooring has to comply with a design standard? Your car does, your house does, even your recent post 1998 boat does.

Also, the 'planning permission' is similar to that land based activity of house/factory building blah blah.

Also, not everyone has been a blameless faultless sea leisure user, so lowest common denominator is used as examle, so hardly suprising is it?

I also find it an entire surprise that your BORG representative, in the form of Seajet, has any support of the MCZ at all. Nothing in his posts suggests that, in fact the very opposite could be surmised by both the casual and detailed reader.

I have had the Balanced Seas Manager to our East Coast dinner, and a good evening it was too, but they felt a bit on the back foot precisely because of the heavy handed 'support' shown in todays diatribes.

I suggest you might want to consider a different approach to spreading your Gospel, because it has no attraction for me, and makes you lot seem a NIMBY set of reactionaries.
 
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3. In summary: The MMO has been made the National Authority to control licensing of deposits of any kind on the seabed. ANYTHING placed on the seabed for any reason must be approved by MMO and licensed by them whethere permanent or temporary.
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So do I need a permit for that winch handle I accidentally dropped over the side a couple of months ago?
 
3. In summary: The MMO has been made the National Authority to control licensing of deposits of any kind on the seabed. ANYTHING placed on the seabed for any reason must be approved by MMO and licensed by them whethere permanent or temporary.
4. Licensing will be a lengthy and costly process. It will require the licensee to supply amongst other things:
a. An environmental impact assesment
b. Habitat Regulation appraisal
c.Evidence of Water Framework Directive compliance

So I need a licence to drop my anchor?

At low tide my whole boat sits on the seabed. So do I need a licence for that?

One fears this is a well meaning bit of law, meant to stop anyone building say an offshore wind generator, without doing it properly, but so badly worded it covers things it was never intended to restrict or prohibit.
 
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No clarification at all, but a nice lengthy post, thanks.
Full of supposition, but still a fair bit short on actuals.

So what if your mooring has to comply with a design standard? Your car does, your house does, even your recent post 1998 boat does.

Also, the 'planning permission' is similar to that land based activity of house/factory building blah blah.

Also, not everyone has been a blameless faultless sea leisure user, so lowest common denominator is used as examle, so hardly suprising is it?

I also find it an entire surprise that your BORG representative, in the form of Seajet, has any support of the MCZ at all. Nothing in his posts suggests that, in fact the very opposite could be surmised by both the casual and detailed reader.

I have had the Balanced Seas Manager to our East Coast dinner, and a good evening it was too, but they felt a bit on the back foot precisely because of the heavy handed 'support' shown in todays diatribes.

I suggest you might want to consider a different approach to spreading your Gospel, because it has no attraction for me, and makes you lot seem a NIMBY set of reactionaries.

Far from NIMBYS - who I have argued with, would you like to see it ?! We are trying to warn you; if you insist on arguing with the messenger, don't complain when the real blitzkreig hits ! :rolleyes:
 
Far from NIMBYS - who I have argued with, would you like to see it ?! We are trying to warn you; if you insist on arguing with the messenger, don't complain when the real blitzkreig hits ! :rolleyes:

Precisely what I mean, the language of the reactionary.
Insist on arguing? Are you the sole arbiter of the shining truth? I think not.
Blitzkrieg? Are they going to bomb us from above?

I think you are a loose cannon on the deck.
 
Yes, it is important (I think) that we don't give the impression that sailors are a lot of ranting extremist weirdos, which only helps those who would prefer to treat us as having nothing useful to say about the use of our harbours and coastal waters.

It's really hard to influence those we need to influence if we make ourselves (or allow others to make us) look as if we are ill-informed and irrational.
 
Moorings that have been in existence since before 1985 do not have to comply. But IF they are lifted for repalcement, the replacement DOES.
That's rather interesting. Because I know a number of organisations that lift their moorings periodically and plop them on the beach so the ground chain can be checked and the riser replaced. It rather sounds like it may fall foul of this new reg and planing required both for the temporary mooring placement as well as the replacement back in the original position.
 
Precisely what I mean, the language of the reactionary.
Insist on arguing? Are you the sole arbiter of the shining truth? I think not.
Blitzkrieg? Are they going to bomb us from above?

I think you are a loose cannon on the deck.

One of the problems is that the so called conservationists use very reactionary language to make the likes of us look like the bad guys. If we do not expose their manipulation now we will lose all chance of holding them back.

At the end of the day we are up against people who have years of experience of manipulating public opinion. We are already on the back foot, and they are marching forward.
 
One of the problems is that the so called conservationists use very reactionary language to make the likes of us look like the bad guys. If we do not expose their manipulation now we will lose all chance of holding them back.

At the end of the day we are up against people who have years of experience of manipulating public opinion. We are already on the back foot, and they are marching forward.

Fight Blancmange with Blancmange, eh?

Many wise words are spoken in jest, but they don’t compare with the number of stupid words spoken in earnest.
 
Will it have any impact on the tendency over recent years for any previously recognised anchorages to fill up with moorings to the detriment of cruisers? I doubt it.
 
About two weeks ago, I wrote to Natural England.

This is their reply from yesterday:

"
As I recall moorings fall under the Marine Licensing (Exempted Activities) Order 2011. The relevant paragraph being -


“Moorings and aids to navigation

25.—(1) Article 4 applies—

(a)to a deposit or works activity carried on by a person referred to in paragraph (2) for the purpose of providing a pile mooring, swinging mooring, trot mooring or aid to navigation;

(b)to a removal activity carried on by any such person for the purpose of removing any such mooring or aid to navigation.

(2) The persons are—

(a)a harbour authority;

(b)a lighthouse authority;

(c)any other person, where the activity is carried on in accordance with a consent required from, and granted by, any such authority.

(3) But article 4 does not apply to any such activity which consists of the deposit or the construction of a pontoon.”



Deposits in the sea are the responsibility of the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) who issue licenses for marine activities consulting us when required. Link to the MMO site as below.



http://marinemanagement.org.uk/licensing/how/guidance.htm



Hope this helps

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I sense an unwillingness to be clear. Is temporary anchoring an exempt function ?
 
Firstly a question - is this European legislation or, confined to UK?

Everything I have read so far is negative, all doom and gloom. Perhaps something does need to be done about littering of the seabed with old engine blocks, railway wheels etc. and unserviced moorings which are a danger to us all when the fail.

Shouldn't we be looking at working with, rather than against the authorities, to agree an approved type of mooring which meets the criteria and a reasonable means of obtaining a licence to lay one?
 
Firstly a question - is this European legislation or, confined to UK?

Everything I have read so far is negative, all doom and gloom. Perhaps something does need to be done about littering of the seabed with old engine blocks, railway wheels etc. and unserviced moorings which are a danger to us all when the fail.

Shouldn't we be looking at working with, rather than against the authorities, to agree an approved type of mooring which meets the criteria and a reasonable means of obtaining a licence to lay one?

Graham,

I am all for 'green' tactics, but go and try it !

Yes, this is Euro-driven; thankfully there might be a British Euro MP handy, we'll have to wait & see.:rolleyes:
 
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Shouldn't we be looking at working with, rather than against the authorities, to agree an approved type of mooring which meets the criteria and a reasonable means of obtaining a licence to lay one?

Do you not realise that each mooring site tends to have its own preferred mooring type that has been proven to work over the years at that site & on that bottom? This is not a "one-size fits all" situation and many people's prime asset will be at risk if such an approach is attempted.

Perhaps we should concentrate on getting the relevant local harbour authorities, clubs or moorings associations to become the licensing & approvals authority? They shold know the area, what does & does not work & also what local ecology is at risk.
 
I've looked at the information on the MMO site. The way I read it is that, in situations like where my club moorings are, to satisfy the new system an application would be made by the club for a licence to lay swinging moorings. This will be "fast tracked" and a licence issued, since there are no environmental issues in the moorings' location. The licence holder (the club through a nominated official) will then make the rules on how moorings should be constructed, based on local knowledge and maybe supervise the laying. This doesn't seem a huge change from what happens now, apart from the MMO licence fee, which would have worked out at less that a fiver for each member who had a mooring this year. Having all the moorings built to a design that has proved reliable for our particular location can't be such a bad thing can it?
I can't find anything that indicates that each mooring user has to have an individual licence. Maybe I am reading it wrong?
I don't get the impression that the MMO have any real interest in this matter at all. They have much bigger fish to fry. I think responsibility for moorings is just a little annoyance that I think they will happily pass over to clubs, boatyards etc. in much the same way as the Crown Estates do.

This post is not intended in any way to belittle the seriousness of what is happening in other more environmentally sensitive areas. I'm just trying to make my own interpretation of the new licensing situation as I believe it will be more generally applied.
 
Mooring licence

At my mooring in Chichester Harbour, I have to pay the site licence fee every year, along with the mooring rental to the club; still adds up to remarkably good value though ! :)
 
"Frankly I dont give a dam!"
I have no respect for the sucessive regimes that have run this country over the past 30 plus years whatever their politics so if I can get way with it I will.
Luckily I have a fresh water mooring on Loch Ness for which I pay nothing and need no permit.
I have several others that no one seems to bother about-focus of attention up here always seems to be in popular mooring spots.
In one place I know as soon as it was heard that the man from the Crown estates was about-buoys would disappear to be replaced by lobster pot markers!
 
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