If I am wearing a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have?

Re: If I am flying a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have?

If you you are intent on Flying ,Flaunting or othewise displaying your Blue Peter have no fear of it not beeing seen by normal friendly yachties so the size of your staff will give us a larger circle of safety for clearance sake /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: If I am flying a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have?

err a Blue Peter is a differnt item - it is the code flag P used to warn crew that you about to leave & they must return aboard.
 
Jim

The "If" in the title suggests you may not yet have the warrant to WEAR the Blue Ensign. What Club or Association are you in?

Flipper wears a Blue and we are proud to mark the traditions of this fine maritime country.

Our ensign staff is mounted on the pushpit and is only just a bit longer than the ensign hoist. Small and prefectly formed - just like me. As they say size is not important it is how you use it.

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Re: If I am wearing a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have

Hi Peter,
I am a member of Royal Corinthian and I do have the warrant. I posted this and another in Scuttlebutt as I will be wearing the Blue next year.
In many ways this is a direct response to those who behave differently when they see a blue, and in particular answers a rather ugly thread from earlier this year on the subject. It will be interesting to see if I am treated any differently. I do hope not, as I remain the same person, and, as you know, have few if any of the alleged traits to which we are associated.
 
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It will be interesting to see if I am treated any differently. I do hope not, as I remain the same person, and, as you know, have few if any of the alleged traits to which we are associated.

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It will be interesting - if my poor history serves me correctly, (I used to catch up on zzzz's at RN College during History) I think the Blue was the inferior of the 3 squadrons so the 'alleged trails' are a bit back to front anyway! I think I am the same person who wore a Red on the 22' boat I had before Flipper and I kept a Blazer & Tie onboard her as well!

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It seems to be fashionable to optimise the staff length for the ensign's function of obscuring the stern light.
I prefer a sensible size on the backstay, but then on my boat a long staff and 2yd ensign would attack the helmsman on a broad reach and a short staff would just put the ensign into all the clutter of liferings, outboard etc that adorn the pushpit.
 
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Hi Peter,
I am a member of Royal Corinthian and I do have the warrant. I posted this and another in Scuttlebutt as I will be wearing the Blue next year.
In many ways this is a direct response to those who behave differently when they see a blue, and in particular answers a rather ugly thread from earlier this year on the subject. It will be interesting to see if I am treated any differently. I do hope not, as I remain the same person, and, as you know, have few if any of the alleged traits to which we are associated.

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Was it necessary though to start not one but two threads for no other reason than to be antagonistic and create disunity ? You know very well what the likely outcome was going to be. It was unfortunate that you also chose to do one on the PBO forum which by convention likes to steer clear of this type of thing. You reasons for wanting a Blue Ensign also seem to rather cloudy. Cant you at least be honest and just say that you just want one.
 
Re: If I am wearing a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have

If you want to mark the traditions of this fine maritime country in Brightlingsea you'd better stink of fish, smuggle rum and be ready to go wrecking in the estuary.
 
Re: If I am wearing a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have

Snowgoose, this is the thread to which I refer.


http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1546603/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1


This was posted in August. Here is my first post on that thread, which, by the way, was posted in PBO.
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Well, PeterGibbs, you have convinced me to apply for a Warrant forthwith, as is my right as a Royal Club member.
It is always sad to see groups lumped together with the same behavioural traits as you have so keenly done on this thread. You seem to think that flying a Red Duster grants automatic immunity from being a prat, and also seems to grant superhuman boat handling skills, and a degree of politeness not witnessed since the days of the Raj.
I must say that having flown a Red Ensign for the last 20 years, I never felt imbued with any of those attributes, and observed reds & blues misbehaving or making errors in equal margin.

People who know me will now have a fit of laughter.
I do so hope we meet up on the water, so I can target your craft for some abuse, bad manners, boorish behaviour, and look down on you as not being good enough to share the patch of water that God & The Queen granted me exclusive access to.

Now all I need are some elocution lessons to make it sound really authentic.

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You also replied on another thread in September on this very subject.

You will notice in my byeline that grumpiness is your perception. Also you insinuate that there is no humour in the PBO. Not so. There is a good deal of levity here.
See, you just didnt get the joke about staff size did you? Pity I had to point it out. But in actual fact, it was a fair question, as I have hitherto flown a 1yd ensign, and now will be wearing a yard and a half, so what LENGTH staff should I need would have been a better question but far less witty.

Sorry if you have been mortally offended, and that you take any of this seriously. I will be happy to buy you a beer anytime I see you out and about.

By the way, I have been here a long time, and you are the first to infer dishonesty. Considering you dont know me, thats a wee bit rich.

Those who have been here a long time are very aware that anchors, colregs and ensigns are permitted and encouraged closed season topics for rolling out yet again.

Only 3 months to go now.
 
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Snowgoose, this is the thread to which I refer.


http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1546603/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1


This was posted in August. Here is my first post on that thread, which, by the way, was posted in PBO.
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Well, PeterGibbs, you have convinced me to apply for a Warrant forthwith, as is my right as a Royal Club member.
It is always sad to see groups lumped together with the same behavioural traits as you have so keenly done on this thread. You seem to think that flying a Red Duster grants automatic immunity from being a prat, and also seems to grant superhuman boat handling skills, and a degree of politeness not witnessed since the days of the Raj.
I must say that having flown a Red Ensign for the last 20 years, I never felt imbued with any of those attributes, and observed reds & blues misbehaving or making errors in equal margin.

People who know me will now have a fit of laughter.
I do so hope we meet up on the water, so I can target your craft for some abuse, bad manners, boorish behaviour, and look down on you as not being good enough to share the patch of water that God & The Queen granted me exclusive access to.

Now all I need are some elocution lessons to make it sound really authentic.

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You also replied on another thread in September on this very subject.

You will notice in my byeline that grumpiness is your perception. Also you insinuate that there is no humour in the PBO. Not so. There is a good deal of levity here.
See, you just didnt get the joke about staff size did you? Pity I had to point it out. But in actual fact, it was a fair question, as I have hitherto flown a 1yd ensign, and now will be wearing a yard and a half, so what LENGTH staff should I need would have been a better question but far less witty.

Sorry if you have been mortally offended, and that you take any of this seriously. I will be happy to buy you a beer anytime I see you out and about.

By the way, I have been here a long time, and you are the first to infer dishonesty. Considering you dont know me, thats a wee bit rich.

Those who have been here a long time are very aware that anchors, colregs and ensigns are permitted and encouraged closed season topics for rolling out yet again.

Only 3 months to go now.

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Have read the thread that you point to, and would agree that Blue Ensign flyers are certainly not all rude, incompetent or inconsiderate. Having said that, many are reluctant to either initiate or respond to the wonderful 'wave' that we all enjoy and is so unique to sailing. This does grind a bit I admit.

I think there are opportunities for all of us in life to take advantages of weaknesses in a system. Although I may not approve of Blue Ensigns in yachting , you or I, may well fall victim in another area of life where a current Blue Ensign flyer can find fault.

National flags are hugely emotive though, and anyone picking this area has to accept that criticism is going to be ongoing. To mix a restricted national flag with links to clubs or the services has developed over the years from 'something that did something' to 'something that serves nothing at all in a modern society'.

Yes, people will take advantage for all the wrong reasons. I really do feel though that they do so largely sub consciously and really do believe they are doing it for the reasons they say they do. This is the tragedy . These daft anomalies are rife in Britain and is it any wonder that so many feel left out and why we have the worst yob culture in Europe. To be honest, I have stopped asking them why they fly them and choose not to initiate waves, make the first move in anchorages or marinas etc and generally not make contact. This is now very common among many, and again' is probably becoming more ingrained in people's sub conscious minds. Personally I have absolutely no problems with forums though and it does not stick in my brain that he or she flies a Blue. Sub conscious again see ! Beware the power !

Now you. I do read between the lines in your posts that there is a tiny voice saying, ''go on, you have the right ', 'despite everything it may just give me that extra bit of kudos','I have been doing this thing for 20 years I deserve to stand out from the rest' .

You may not admit it because you don't know it.

Please do not get one ! Your mind will draw you to situations that you hold in your head. Believe me. If you feel you may get bad treatment from others it will happen.
If you do want to conduct a survey, stay with the Red and be especially nice to Blue's and prove that they are probably as decent as anyone but only misguided which is the truth.

Then report back.

You have your orders !
 
Re: If I am wearing a 1.5yd Blue Ensign, what size staff should I have

A much better post than previous.
However, WHEN you meet me, you will find that I am not in the slightest intimidated by arcane tradition, or the membership it attracts to certain institutions. I am also, by and large, a working class oily tick who would give you the shirt off his back.
I will wear the Blue for 2 very sound reasons.

1. I am going to continue my previous behaviour, and thus improve the currently poor press of the Blue ensign.

2. I have friends in my club and am happy to uphold and share their values which include the history and traditions, which I have found to be honourable, and I will therefore propagate them by wearing the club ensign, as a member of that club.

PS, I could have applied for a warrant 17 years ago when I belonged to Royal Temple at Ramsgate, another club I enjoyed being a member of.

You will recognise the boat - it has the logo emblem on the transom (and in the heads) that you see as my avatar, and I have dodgers with FULL CIRCLE on them mounted to both sides of the cockpit. Ignore your preconceptions, give me a wave, and feel free to join us anywhere.



Regards

Jim
 
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Jim, I understand (if not fully agree with) your reasons for getting a blue ensign. I appreciate you as a fellow sailor even if you get up my nose some times (and I expect me up your nose even more), but you must admit that your attitude amongst blue ensign sailors is a minority one. Or do I have a perception problem? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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It's difficult to take this thread seriously.
For a start, why specify "Blue" in the question - aren't the requirements the same for any ensign? That does rather suggest that the OP is keen to tell us that he doesn't have just an ordinary red.

And then the correct but pedantic use of "wear" makes me giggle when used in the same sentence as "staff".

Don't wear it when wet, or at a vicarage tea party.
 
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It's difficult to take this thread seriously.
For a start, why specify "Blue" in the question - aren't the requirements the same for any ensign? That does rather suggest that the OP is keen to tell us that he doesn't have just an ordinary red.

And then the correct but pedantic use of "wear" makes me giggle when used in the same sentence as "staff".

Don't wear it when wet, or at a vicarage tea party.

[/ QUOTE ]Are we supposed to take it seriously then?
 
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