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Hi,
I am doing my day skipper with nautilus yachting in turkey. Obviously being in the med it will be non tidal. I would like to convert it to a ICC, I was wondering wether it had to be tidal in order to do this. I have also heard that if you have a dinghy instructors ticket this can be used to qualify for an ICC as well.
Thanks as ever,
Jack
 
I think you can convert it and 'talk' about tidal and then you will be issued with it. Certainly at ******** from little experience it was get on, show us you can sail the boat, show us you can park and tie up, talk about tidL and then be issued with the certificate.
 
Jamesuk said:
I think you can convert it and 'talk' about tidal and then you will be issued with it. Certainly at ******** from little experience it was get on, show us you can sail the boat, show us you can park and tie up, talk about tidL and then be issued with the certificate.
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There are only 2 mentions of tide in the "Assessment of Competence" on the application form and they are in the section for candidates for coastal waters:

4. Can use a tide table to find times and heights of high
and low water at a standard port

5. Can determine direction and rate of tidal stream from
a tidal stream atlas or tidal diamonds on a chart

Everything you need to know is on the application form.
 
sailorman said:
QUOTE=l'escargot;4072858]Until you try to charter a boat in Europe...
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so your telling us that Joe Public who has never set foot on a Hoeseasons cruiser needs a icc inland Europe[/QUOTE]

To hire inland apparently not, didn't know that.

http://www.french-waterways.com/practicalities/regulations.html

Paradoxically, hire boat skippers (i.e the most inexperienced) need no qualifications at all
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Back in the sea around europe, if it's not a big deal to get an ICC it might just shut some port official up and get you to lunch earlier. The real world isn't always the same as the paper world. :)
 
Conachair said:
so your telling us that Joe Public who has never set foot on a Hoeseasons cruiser needs a icc inland Europe
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To hire inland apparently not, didn't know that.

http://www.french-waterways.com/practicalities/regulations.html



Back in the sea around europe, if it's not a big deal to get an ICC it might just shut some port official up and get you to lunch earlier. The real world isn't always the same as the paper world. :)[/QUOTE]

That shows the worth of holding an icc cert dunit
 
sailorman said:
To hire inland apparently not, didn't know that.

http://www.french-waterways.com/practicalities/regulations.html

Back in the sea around europe, if it's not a big deal to get an ICC it might just shut some port official up and get you to lunch earlier. The real world isn't always the same as the paper world. :)
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That shows the worth of holding an icc cert dunit[/QUOTE]

In your own boat maybe, but as you are not supposed to be able to charter a yacht without one (at least through a reputable company anyway) in, say Greece, then one would not even make that lunch in the first instance. Of course, full logbooks get around this but for normal mortals a DS and/or ICC cert is the entry level.
 
so your telling us that Joe Public who has never set foot on a Hoeseasons cruiser needs a icc inland Europe
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When we traversed the Canal du Midi we saw many about-to-be cruiser hirers receiving their training. It appeared to take about two hours and included MOB recovery, berthing alongside and boat handling, all from a small mobo. It did not seem to have improved their locking skills.
 
sailorman said:
so your telling us that Joe Public who has never set foot on a Hoeseasons cruiser needs a icc inland Europe
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I don't think it says that anywhere in my post but some parts of Europe and some charter companies insist on it, it would be a bugger to turn up and not be able to take a boat out because you didn't have the right bit of paper. The OP seems to think he has a need for one whether you do or not.
 
sailorman said:
To hire inland apparently not, didn't know that.

http://www.french-waterways.com/practicalities/regulations.html



Back in the sea around europe, if it's not a big deal to get an ICC it might just shut some port official up and get you to lunch earlier. The real world isn't always the same as the paper world. :)
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That shows the worth of holding an icc cert dunit[/QUOTE]

You may not in France as they are always the first to ignore their own rules if it suits them - and the hire boat business which is predominately UK owned and run would collapse if they insisted on an ICC so as Vyv says they require operators to "test" hirers themselves. However, if you go to Germany you will not be able to hire a river cruiser without an ICC (or another acceptable CEVNI endorsed certificate). As others have said it is becoming increasingly difficult (but not impossible) to charter a boat anywhere in the Med without a recognised qualification of which the ICC is the most obvious. So for many people it has a high value because they cannot do what they want to do without it. It may not have a value to you, but that was not the question, so that makes your comments completely worthless.
 
From practical experience, I hold YM but Cert was not to hand booked holiday 2 days before flight told them no cert on phone. I flue arrived and was qualified there and then. No log books, no certs, no exams just talk... Greece and well known operator...

So its certainly not required every where, although the requirement for pieces of paper is said to be increasing...
 
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onesea said:
From practical experience, I hold YM but Cert was not to hand booked holiday 2 days before flight told them no cert on phone. I flue arrived and was qualified there and then. No log books, no certs, no exams just talk... Greece and well known operator...

So its certainly not required every where, although the requirement for pieces of paper is said to be increasing...
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That depends entirely on the relationship between the operator and the local Port Police as it is the issuing of the charter permit that is crucial not whether you can handle the boat!
 
onesea said:
From practical experience, I hold YM but Cert was not to hand booked holiday 2 days before flight told them no cert on phone. I flue arrived and was qualified there and then. No log books, no certs, no exams just talk... Greece and well known operator...

So its certainly not required every where, although the requirement for pieces of paper is said to be increasing...
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+1.

I have no Sailing quals of any kind and, as yet, have had no problem legally hiring a boat anywhere in the world I've wanted to, including Greece many times.

Indeed Greece doesn't issue it's own Citizens with ICCs, so is it really plausible that they have a blanket ban on their own citizens from Chartering?

Furthermore very few nations worldwide issue ICCs to their citizens. (Just over 20 IIRC). Is it really plausible that the majority of people worldwide can't hire in Greece including people from some of their neighbouring countries?

Just one more in the endless series of ICC myths.

ukmctc said:
Yep Its all B******kS, and meaningless
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Indeed, & the majority of the worlds nations realize this and have nothing to do with it.
 
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