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The last ICC post got me worried. Should I get an ICC to cruise France and Spain or is my RYA YM practical sufficient? I've been going there for years and never been asked for anything. I'm just wondering whether there's been a change of attitude from the authorities or whether its a forum storm in a teacup as sometimes happens here.
(I don't know whether any one else has noticed that....)
Sorry, serious question, don't want to deflect the answers into another rant against newbies not knowing their place.
 
Broadly speaking the ICC will only be asked for if you are using a motorboat which you have brought in by land (towed) rather than by sea.

In France you are only required to have a certificate of competence for motorboats over 3.5hp - you are not required to have any formal qualification to sail a yacht. That applies to the French as well.

I have had a ICC for decades and never, ever, been asked to produce it in any country of the world. However if you are going to hire or drive a motorboat outside of the UK it may not always be sufficient.

Michael
 
Thats just so wrong!
Please read the previous thread AND look at the RYA site indicated.
IMHO you should get one. The practical exam qualifies you for one I believe and you will certainly need one endorsed with CEVNI if you ever go inland by canal.
 
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Thats just so wrong!
Please read the previous thread AND look at the RYA site indicated.
IMHO you should get one. The practical exam qualifies you for one I believe and you will certainly need one endorsed with CEVNI if you ever go inland by canal.

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The RYA have changed their advice. They have previously said (on several occasions) that under the EU arrangements for mutual recognition of qualifications, all other EU countries should recognise British qualifications and the fact that they are not needed for skippering UK registered vessels whether or not visiting foreign ports. Once inside the country ie on the inland waterways, the situation is different. Somewhere in my files I have their written statement to this effect.

They also used to say that the YM cert wasnt any use without a translation, and for which purpose they would provide a translation on request. I have one.

This change of tune is worrying given that the RYA have a financial interest in issuing ICCs
 
I think the difference of opinion between boatmike and michael_e represented here is about the need in relation to coastal rather than inland use. If wrong I have no doubt they will correct.

I agree with them both - I think.

When launching a trailer boat in both France and Spain (N Brittany and the Med) I have been asked for an ICC. Had I beach launched I doubt anyone would have asked but via a marina it was a requirement and a couple of others were refused launches without their (they were German) qualifications (whatever they might be).

However visiting from the sea has not resulted in any such requests. I understand (and accept) that my ICC would now require CEVNI (inc keeping a copy of the rules onboard) were I to want to proceed beyond tidal waters (eg beyond the lock on the Rance at St Malo) and that this would apply to any vessel with an engine over about 4hp 'ish - ie there are some exemptions).
The only possible area of confusion is inland tidal waters and here you can argue the rights and wrongs with local officials for as long as you want but the end result is always that what they say is right is right....................
 
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