ICC - one or both of us?

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Hi. Trying to look forward to the future...! :) I've been thinking about getting an ICC and CEVNI organised in the vague hope of using it sometime, and I'm wondering whether, as a couple on board, does your experience suggest that it's worth us both getting a piece of paper, or is just one enough? Do foreign officials expect a single 'skipper' if there's clearly a couple sailing? We both hold Day Skipper Practical certs. TIA!
 
If you both hold DS already, then the ICC is simply a question of filling in the right form and sending it to the RYA who will send you your ICC (for a fee!). If you’re a member of the RYA then this is free. If you need to add the CEVNI ticket, then you’ll need to do the test to get it added to your ICC.
As to overseas authorities, one person aboard with the right paperwork is enough.
 
duncan99210 said:
As to overseas authorities, one person aboard with the right paperwork is enough.
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Is it not the case that in Greece you are, in theory, supposed to have a second "experienced" person aboard, although it's a bit fuzzy whether they need paperwork and none of the charter companies insist on it? Not that I've ever heard of this being an issue for anyone and certainly I've never been asked to show anything other than my own qualifications (I have, however, never chartered anything bigger than 36').

Whereas dayskipper always *used* to be sufficient for chartering in greece I recently stumbled across the statement on a couple of charter sites that port authorities may reject DS or any qualification with restrictions to daylight only, whereas ICC was accepted:
Sailing Licenses Greece | Greece Yacht Charter
Changes to Sailing Qualification Requirements in Greece | Seamaster Yacht Charter
So ICC definitely more relevant than it used to be but I've not heard anything that would contradict duncan99210's statement in practice.
 
Never having chartered in Greece, we’ve not encountered the problem. However, when we got our new version of the DEKPA a few years back, the Port Police were only interested in one ICC. The chap before us in the queue produced his Yachtmaster Ocean ticket, which the PP wouldn’t accept, nor were they interested in his wallet full of similar qualifications. Eventually, he persuaded them to accept his Yachtmaster ticket but only because he was holding things up for an office full of folks.
The reason why the ICC is accepted is that there’s a Greek translation somewhere on it..... leastways, that’s what several PP people have told me over the years when I’ve asked them why they accept it when they often won’t accept a str forward RYA certificate.
Final point about Greece: just about every PP station has a different take on just what the rules mean and how to apply them. So one port will accept your RYA ticket or an ICC, the next will demand an ICC, the following one won’t be looking for anything.
 
In ten years of sailing our boat in the Med we have found that no country asks for ICC specifically but some marinas and immigration officials seem to do a bit of a nod when going through the boat papers and seeing an RYA certificate. So we still haven’t got an ICC.
 
RupertW said:
In ten years of sailing our boat in the Med we have found that no country asks for ICC specifically but some marinas and immigration officials seem to do a bit of a nod when going through the boat papers and seeing an RYA certificate. So we still haven’t got an ICC.
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I would generally agree. I too, have not been asked for my "license" when checking in marinas and ports. However, have an "incident" and their interest in your qualifications could well increase.
I always think that you're better off "looking at it than looking for it" when it comes to paperwork of any description, especially when abroad.
If you're a RYA member it costs you nothing and could save a lot of issues later.
 
syvictoria said:
Hi. Trying to look forward to the future...! :) I've been thinking about getting an ICC and CEVNI organised in the vague hope of using it sometime, and I'm wondering whether, as a couple on board, does your experience suggest that it's worth us both getting a piece of paper, or is just one enough? Do foreign officials expect a single 'skipper' if there's clearly a couple sailing? We both hold Day Skipper Practical certs. TIA!
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If you both have DS, then ICCs are a paper exercise and you just fill in the form. My experience is that only the skipper needs one.

CEVNI only needed for some canals, just do it online, it’s really easy!
 
mbroom said:
If you both have DS, then ICCs are a paper exercise and you just fill in the form. My experience is that only the skipper needs one.

CEVNI only needed for some canals, just do it online, it’s really easy!
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CEVNI is a little more than 'some canals' ............ in fact its all European waterways that lead inland and connected inland waters themselves. As example - here in Ventspils Latvia. CEVNI is not required if you stay in the outer port areas. But once you start going up river and pass the last commercial dock - you are IN CEVNI waters .. and the River Police will ask for it.
 
greeny said:
I would generally agree. I too, have not been asked for my "license" when checking in marinas and ports. However, have an "incident" and their interest in your qualifications could well increase.
I always think that you're better off "looking at it than looking for it" when it comes to paperwork of any description, especially when abroad.
If you're a RYA member it costs you nothing and could save a lot of issues later.
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Greece did for the DEKPA. Whether this will change now that it has been abolished is unsure, but easy to get.
 
Refueler said:
CEVNI is a little more than 'some canals' ............ in fact its all European waterways that lead inland and connected inland waters themselves. As example - here in Ventspils Latvia. CEVNI is not required if you stay in the outer port areas. But once you start going up river and pass the last commercial dock - you are IN CEVNI waters .. and the River Police will ask for it.
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Not all European countries use CEVNI for their inland waterways. The United Kingdom, the Nordic countries, Spain, Italy and the Balkans except Croatia have their own regulations. Some French canals do not require it. Anyway it is easy to get, just a simple memory test.
 
mbroom said:
Greece did for the DEKPA. Whether this will change now that it has been abolished is unsure, but easy to get.
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We had no problem with DEKPAs without an ICC but I take the general point that maybe we should get one even if experience shows us the opposite is fine.
 
laika said:
Is it not the case that in Greece you are, in theory, supposed to have a second "experienced" person aboard, although it's a bit fuzzy whether they need paperwork and none of the charter companies insist on it? Not that I've ever heard of this being an issue for anyone and certainly I've never been asked to show anything other than my own qualifications (I have, however, never chartered anything bigger than 36').
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When we've chartered in Greece: I've had my ICC (no RYA Dayskipper or YM) and my wife is 'experienced' enough to wave at me as I disappear astern.

We've had no problems with paperwork.
 
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