ICC - Do you really need it?

Once again constructing your own world view to suit your prejudices! The RYA in this context is not a commercial organisation but a members organisation funded by subscriptions. You are a freeloader because the RYA represents yachtsmen in general negotiaiting with government etc on matters that affect us all. So you get a minimalist registration and licencing regime instead of the regime that as you know exists in oither countries. And no, I am not a recruiting agent, but many of these threads would never start if people bothered to join and read the material instead of creating their own versions of what is and is not.

The fact that as you suggest, many others feel like just like you goes to show how much ignorance there is in this world!
 
I can't see any point in responding to anything in your post which refers purely to disputes about who said what - people can judge what we both said by our posts. I'm certainly leaving the 'freeloader' bait well alone!

However, you did have a point here:

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Get your facts right about the ICC. [snip] Renewal is every 5 years without a retest and is free to RYA members, £25 to freeloaders who can't be bothered to support the body that makes these things easier than they might otherwise be.


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I did say "IIRC" and it seems I hadn't remembered correctly. It's £39 renewal (unless you want it fast tracked.) not £55.

Your facts are also wrong on this, of course.
 
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I might have missed it, but was there a single poster who said 'never had a qual and never was asked for one'?

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Yep, the original poster.

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Me too. Sailing 30 years, never had a sailing qualification never asked by anyone in officialdom. Not that it would be wise to draw any conclusion from that whatsoever.
 
Sorry I got the £25 wrong - it was when I got my ICC many years ago, but as a member it is irrelevant for me.
 
So, Tranona - should I call you Obersturmbannführer Tranona?, if we are not members of the RYA we are, according to you, 'freeloaders'?

No right not to associate? Surely, the right not to associate is a fundamental right? Pretty terrifying if and when that attitude becomes prevalent. Shall we all have to join Nu-Labor next, to avoid prosecution?

Government should have partitioned off the 'official' side from the 'Association' side making it a legal requirement for the RYA to publish all information that should, properly, be in the public domain.
 
Quite right not to pick up the "freeloader" bait. In my experience such people have real difficulty in defending their position!
 
No, not being a member does not automatically make you a "freeloader". You do not have to be a member of anything. However,expecting to derive benefits that have been gained through expenditure of members' subscriptons without paying is freeloading!

No organisational construct is perfect. If you feel so strongly about the way the RYA is constituted, then start a protest movement. You could write to your friend Gordon, but I guess he has more important things on his mind at the moment.
 
Tranona and Lemain - come on chaps, we have seen excellent posts from both of you - stop hecking!

You know if your boats were in distress you would risk your lives trying to save each other! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Im a ''freeloader'' and proud of it /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I have always found the attitude of people who think they must be members of clubs, associations and the likes most difficult to understand. Especially when they think you should join just because they have. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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No, not being a member does not automatically make you a "freeloader". You do not have to be a member of anything. However,expecting to derive benefits that have been gained through expenditure of members' subscriptions without paying is freeloading!

[/ QUOTE ]Well it's very nice to hear that I am not "automatically" a freeloader! I'd like to live my life without joining the Royal Yachting Association.

I don't want anything from the RYA. I'd be just as happy if they closed it down tomorrow. It does nothing for me. But I don't object to it being there, or object to others who wish to associate.

What I do require, as a British Citizen, is a Government position on my rights, duties and responsibilities as a British Citizen and skipper of a British Registered yacht. If the Government wishes to subcontract that work to an outside agency, such as the RYA, I don't have a problem provided that I am not required to join an association that I don't wish to join in order to find out what my position is.

All work carried out by the RYA in its capacity as agent for the British Government should be in the public domain. One way or another, our taxes pay for this; it is not 'freeloading'.
 
Proved my point!

BTW how is your friend Terry? Have not heard from him recently. Hope he is not rotting in some foreign jail because he did not have his documents in order.
 
David

What an amazing turnaround. Never thought I would hear you say you wanted to rely on the Government.

Come off it! As I have said over and over again, the need for this documentation is to meet the requirements of other governments. You pay for your passport, which is not a legal requirement in the UK. Why should you not pay for your SSR and ICC? And why should members of the organisation that funded the ICC scheme not get it as part of their subscriptions. And what about the thousands of boaters who are members of the RYA who never need an ICC? Why should they be subsidising you?

Guess I'm getting bored with all this take, take, take and no give and constant belittling of the efforts of others than runs through just about every post you make.
 
<<< I'm right. You do not need an ICC in Greece. Nor do you need any RYA quals. In fact you need no formal qualifications at all. >>>

So just how are you going to persuade this port policeman who just asked you for your 'driving licence' that UK rules do not require you to have one and that therefore you will not be presenting one? Don't think that all foreign policemen are going to be nice and pleasant to you because you are a foreigner - they are not.

My uncle spent a night in a Greek jail after the wash of a ferry pushed his stern into an electricity supply box on the quayside. The box was probably damaged already and it was quite clearly, and agreed by the police, not his fault. Made no difference, he was arrested.
 
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<<< I'm right. You do not need an ICC in Greece. Nor do you need any RYA quals. In fact you need no formal qualifications at all. >>>

So just how are you going to persuade this port policeman who just asked you for your 'driving licence' that UK rules do not require you to have one and that therefore you will not be presenting one? Don't think that all foreign policemen are going to be nice and pleasant to you because you are a foreigner - they are not.

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Hey don't shoot the messenger! I'm just saying what the law is, I didn't write it!

Strangely I have found foreign policemen to be nice and pleasant. I suspect their attitude is heavily influenced by the attitude of the person they have to deal with.
 
Never been asked anywhere in Greece, Turkey etc in over 12 years of sailing parts of the Med for any paperwork re sailing licences although I have them on board.

Always found Port police ve friendy and helpful ---are the people who seem to get asked for paperwork everywhere just unlucky or what?

I suspect that when they witness my fantastic mooring manouvering abilities they assume that I have every qualification on the planet so forget to ask me for any paperwork !!!!!
 
Well that was entertaining - and I thought it was a simple yes/no question!
In summary, it appears that a few of you have been asked to produce an ICC but the majority haven't. Croatia seems to be the exception, where it is essential.
For French tidal waters I think the concensus is that it is not essential - however, it is 'recommended' by many of you.
I think I will take the necessary steps to get one, just for peace of mind, especially if I 'lock in' anywhere.
Thanks for all the input.
(not so) JollyRoger
 
This debate is really making a mountain out of a molehill - If you are an RYA member, you can get the ICC and CEVNI free of charge.

If not a member, I think the ICC is £39 from memory.

So might as well get one anyway, and not run the risk of any issues like Vyv.
 
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This debate is really making a mountain out of a molehill - If you are an RYA member, you can get the ICC and CEVNI free of charge.

[/ QUOTE ]Only if you have passed the exam or are exempted by holding one of the RYA's Certificates.
 
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