ICC cert. another EU Joke?

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Forgive me for moaning but apparently someone who started sailing 2 months ago and passed the day Skipper practical can obtain an ICC cert.by writing for one. I have sailed for 30 years have the day skipper and coastal skipper theory only, dinghy sailed for 18 years owned and sailed a cruiser for 12 years and cannot obtain an ICC, if you agree with my point is it any wonder the EU doesn`t work?
 
Just to make the point really. The ICC can be obtained by writing for one, if you have the DS practical only, which as you say is 5 days, so I am told by the RYA this morning.
 
Yes this is true but the point is, if you have passed the DS practical you have been judged to be good enough to get an ICC. If you haven't then you need to do a 1 day ICC practical.

In all fairness, you are asking a governing body to accept yur word that you are good enough on the water to warrant an ICC without them ever seeing your abilities in person.

The RYA theory courses can be passed by anyone, even if they have never stepped on a boat before.
 
Surely the ICC is about providing evidence of a basic level of achievement, not about relative ability. You can always "turn up" and do the practical assessment to prove a point - and get the certificate to prove it to others. I am surprised you never bothered with a practical exam to round off your theory qualification.

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The ICC is not an EU system but a UN one apparently. The ICC is very basic - it doesnt in my view even reach the dizzy heights of Day Skipper let alone a proper qualification like the YM. Nevertheless. the theoretical person you mention has bothered to take an independent practical test to verify that he can pick up a mooring etc. You would undoubtedly pass the test after 30 years experience but you have not bothered to take one so I dont see the basis of your complaint. Are those jurisdictions who require a marine driving licence simply expected to look at you, see your barnacle encrusted boots, spot all the miles under your keel and wave you on?

Mind you, thats almost the basis on which the system started out - you went along to your club commodore, he saw you were a sound chap, and he signed off your ICC. Not unsurprisingly, several other countries thought this was "taking the p*ss" when they required their citizens to go through a proper boat driving test.
 
You are all correct of course. so I will just go and creep into a corner. Apparently you maybe asked for an ICC when you go abroad not so in the past where I prefer to live. Thanks for your replies and good sailing.
 
With all due respect to your experience the chap with the day skipper practical may only have 2 months experience but has been vigerously accessed. Your theory ticket is an education only and involves no assessment of your boat handling skills or pratical application of your skills learnt. You can get an ICC on a single afternoon if you apply to be assessed. I looked at this and was told the ICC was just an assessment test and that you would need to ensure you were ready for it - a chap of your experience im sure would be - the DS 5 day however is an acessed course that allows an instructor to teach and a student and to adress any deficienies recognised -thus they can apply straitaway for an ICC due to the quality of the RYA training.

Im still saving up for it!!!
 
Rather like some people I have met who thought that graduating in mechanical engineering made them Engineers, even though they had never taken up tools in anger!
 
I believe it to be the case that many people who had never set foot on a boat took their DS and CS theory courses and passed the exams, basically for entertainment. Subsidised evening courses provided a worthwhile activity at minimal cost. I don't think many of them would presume to be awarded an ICC simply by requesting it.
 
The ICC is a bit of a nonsense in that the level of competence is very low. I took it in a group and even the person who did an accidental gybe in 5 knots of wind and a mill pond passed! There should be some means of getting certified by a letter of confirmation from a YC commodore or similar. I had to answer the questions even though I had YM theory- it was difficult to know how simple an answer they wanted (got 98% though /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

Add CEVNI (a few more questions) whilst doing it and that's done in case you need it.
 
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Forgive me for moaning but apparently someone who started sailing 2 months ago and passed the day Skipper practical can obtain an ICC cert.by writing for one. I have sailed for 30 years have the day skipper and coastal skipper theory only, dinghy sailed for 18 years owned and sailed a cruiser for 12 years and cannot obtain an ICC, if you agree with my point is it any wonder the EU doesn`t work?

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Your friend who passed the Day Skipper Practical also passed the test for the ICC. ( simple basic boat handling test).

Your problem is that you haven't taken the test for an ICC, and thus don't have one.
Why not take the test ?

It doesn't matter how long you have been drinking or how long you sit in the pub. If you are not prepared to walk up to bar to buy a pint then you don't get one.
 
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Nothing wrong with the ICC, at least it is accepted away from the UK , the very expensive rya stuff isnt.

[/ QUOTE ]Why do people come from all over the world to get their qualifications to work in the yachting industry? Then why have the RYA (as a result of demand) allowed centres to be established for Yachmaster Examinations in Australia, South Africa, France etc etc Check your facts before making wrong sweeping statements.

If what you say is true, then why is the industry standard entry ticket for driving a yacht commercially the YM Offshore and Ocean?

Also compared to some other countries schemes the RYA one is cheap. You can book an exam on your own boat with your own crew and just pay the exam fee. You don't have to take any courses at all if you don't want to.

I declare a sort of interest as I don't work for the RYA but I am an independant examiner.

Besides, why have you got such a problem with the RYA?
 
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I must have had too musch tea! Sorry! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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