ICC Assessment

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CLOUD9

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Now that the decision has been made to spend time in the Mediterranean, I guess Im going to need to get the ICC sorted out and prove Im not a danger to shipping! Despite boating all of my life, the only formal qualification I have is a Day Skipper Theory. So, before I go through the RYA list.... does anyone have a recommendation for an RYA instructor based in or around Torbay? Thanks
Rick
 
As I understand it, if your boat is UK reg'd then you only need to meet the requirements under UK regs regardless of where you use it, and they do not require any qualifications for your size of boat.

That said, in France you need an ICC or equivalent to drive a tender with an outboard over a certain size (10 hp?, not sure), and it may well be the same in other euro countries, so probably worth getting one anyway
 
Nick_H said:
As I understand it, if your boat is UK reg'd then you only need to meet the requirements under UK regs regardless of where you use it, and they do not require any qualifications for your size of boat.

That said, in France you need an ICC or equivalent to drive a tender with an outboard over a certain size (10 hp?, not sure), and it may well be the same in other euro countries, so probably worth getting one anyway
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I've never been asked for mine but I always keep it (and SWMBO's) up to date.
IMO, it would be prudent to have a valid RYA ICC anyway.

Sorry, I don't know of anyone in Torbay.
 
Nick_H said:
As I understand it, if your boat is UK reg'd then you only need to meet the requirements under UK regs regardless of where you use it, and they do not require any qualifications for your size of boat.

That said, in France you need an ICC or equivalent to drive a tender with an outboard over a certain size (10 hp?, not sure), and it may well be the same in other euro countries, so probably worth getting one anyway
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You might want to read this http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/icc/Pages/EvidenceofCompetenceAbroad.aspx

Specifically

RYA said:
The law of the sea is frequently misunderstood, with many boaters believing that they can go wherever they wish abiding only by the rules of their Flag State (country of registration).

When you visit another country, in most circumstances (as detailed in the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) you can be required to comply with the maritime legislation of the visited country (the Coastal State) in addition to that of your vessel’s Flag State.
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The key word in that note from the RYA is "can", which does not necessarily mean you "will".

In practice, very few states have this requirement as it usually needs a law or some official instrument to effect it with respect to visiting vessels. Portugal is one state that has done this as has New Zealand. However enforcement (in portugal for example, which is about safety equipment rather than licences) there is little evidence of systematic application.

The problem, and why the RYA provide this explanation is that in many countries power is devolved to either local bodies or even individuals who might make up their own rules, or in countries like Greece rules are only enforced when there is a problem (coastguard call out for example). This of course means that few people are ever asked for a licence.

Cynics might of course say that the RYA is using this threat to "sell" the ICC. However prudent people might see it as a good insurance against trouble that might upset their cruising plans.
 
Hi Rick,

I'm not going to get into the discussion about whether ICC is essential or not, but as an alternative why not take the very simple test in Mallorca.

Mike John at Sea Teach srl is a RYA registered sea school who is authorised to issue ICC permit to UK residents.

Details Mob +34 626 090 664
Office+34 971 648 429
email@sea-teach.com

You also mentioned that Gill was possibly not confident at Med mooring so he would be an ideal person to spend half or one day with bringing both of you up to speed not only at mooring but also at close handling within the marina.
This will give you both confidence but mean that you can relax at the helm as Gill will be confident herself with what is required of her and give her plenty of time to flirt with the marineros like all the other women.:encouragement:
Look forward to talking this evening

Doug
 
I keep mine up to date as things like Cabrera say you should be a qualified skipper and ask this on the form.

In 4 years never been asked, and doubt I will be but for the sake of £40 I can keep any official happy, and if things are getting bad enough for them to ask it seems cheap insurance!

I just do a one year subscription to the RYA. Kids are added free so they get a magazine. The RYA also gives simply MASSIVE discounts on a Volvo should you be so inclined ( I am not and the magazine is ***p.!)

Friend of mine ( who is a total chancer) wanted to hire a boat, no ICC - told them he was a commander in the Navy and they lent him the boat anyway! He is very charismatic!
 
DougH said:
plenty of time to flirt with the marineros..

Doug
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She won't need any encouragement to do that!... And Im relying on her to make sure lots of assistance is always at hand..

Thanks for the info. I have certainly planned to get some confidence boosting instruction when we are in Cala d'Or. My thought with the ICC was that I probably should have it before I start driving the boat over there. Delivering from Palma for instance? I would much rather get it done over there next spring than in Devon in winter if not risking the wrath of the authorities. I guess I could always get a skipper to do the delivery if I was worried about the sticking to the (apparent) rules.
 
jrudge said:
Friend of mine ( who is a total chancer) wanted to hire a boat, no ICC - told them he was a commander in the Navy and they lent him the boat anyway! He is very charismatic!
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I wish I had what it took to do that! Im the opposite.... always convinced that the piece of paper I dont have will be the only one that is asked for, and nowhere near charismatic enough to blag it!
 
Think you are right about doing it out there. The most difficult bit is the boat handling and makes sense to have some time with an instructor on your boat so you get maximum value out of his time in a way that is useful to you rather than just getting the bit of paper.
 
CLOUD9 said:
She won't need any encouragement to do that!... And Im relying on her to make sure lots of assistance is always at hand..

Thanks for the info. I have certainly planned to get some confidence boosting instruction when we are in Cala d'Or. My thought with the ICC was that I probably should have it before I start driving the boat over there. Delivering from Palma for instance? I would much rather get it done over there next spring than in Devon in winter if not risking the wrath of the authorities. I guess I could always get a skipper to do the delivery if I was worried about the sticking to the (apparent) rules.
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Like others here I have never been asked for the ICC but, and it is a small but, you may be asked for proof of competence when the boat is delivered in Palma as they hang the boat over the ships side and expect you to take over from there.

I would use someone who does this regularly as the ships owners want to turn the boat round very fast and will not hang around.

The best person for this is Steve Hookings of Yacht Guardianage who is an ex Sunseeker apprentice and engineer and does this type of thing day in day out.

Mob +34 687 911 595
Email steve@yachtguardianage.com
 
I'm not sure if I was ever a member, I just did the course and got the certificate. Did the instructors register the passes with the RYA? I can't even remember the name of the school, it was a guy with a Birchwood TS37 based in Hythe.
 
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