i need an icc course help please

[Wiggo]

For what it's worth. I wouldnt bother doing DS Theory before doing the practical .

Several reasons, but mainly cos YM Theory is much much more comprehensive and the 'right' thing to do when the time is right whilst DS Theory is important but basic.

My observations :-
a)Looking at the RYA DS Theory book the night before and during the week will give you everything you need -- if you done any map or chart work in the past then you will 'get it' anyways
b) Have a crack at some of the online buoyage and 'lights' 'tests' -- you'll soon learn which is which
c) The instructor will take you through the basics anyways

I beg to disagree. If the OP has no previous convictions, then trying to DS practical will be hard work without at least some shore based stuff.

The thing is, the OP needs an ICC as a legal minimum to boat in the Med. Fair enough. But if he's going to buy a 20m first boat, I'd suggest he needs a damned sight more training than just an ICC. Rocking up on day 1 of ownership with bugger all experience apart from 2 days on an open boat strikes me as the quick route to crunching a 20m boat as well as someone else's pride and joy, before rapidly deciding boating isn't for him.

Why the urgency? The OP's wife can do her ICC at any time, surely? Sounds like the best plan is to use the time to charter a 20m ish boat with a skipper and just get used to being afloat. If you like it, do Dazed Kipper theory and practice later, get a boat next spring and the wife can do her ICC on your own boat next year...

 

[squadron]

I beg to disagree. If the OP has no previous convictions, then trying to DS practical will be hard work without at least some shore based stuff.

The thing is, the OP needs an ICC as a legal minimum to boat in the Med. Fair enough. But if he's going to buy a 20m first boat, I'd suggest he needs a damned sight more training than just an ICC. Rocking up on day 1 of ownership with bugger all experience apart from 2 days on an open boat strikes me as the quick route to crunching a 20m boat as well as someone else's pride and joy, before rapidly deciding boating isn't for him.

Why the urgency? The OP's wife can do her ICC at any time, surely? Sounds like the best plan is to use the time to charter a 20m ish boat with a skipper and just get used to being afloat. If you like it, do Dazed Kipper theory and practice later, get a boat next spring and the wife can do her ICC on your own boat next year...

the urgency is that i live in taiwan and i cant just jump on a easyjet flight , i am using the whole of october to do some training and look at boats ,if i am going to do this i need to get everything in place this year so that i can use the boat for the next three seasons ,after that the kids start school and it will be impossible to spend 5-6month a year in the med .so the time scale has to be rushed if this 3 year adventure is going to happen .and yes as and when i have my own boat i will employ a pro skipper to teach me , i would never put my family at risk by thinking i know everything just by doing a 3 day course .

 

[Wiggo]

the urgency is that i live in taiwan and i cant just jump on a easyjet flight , i am using the whole of october to do some training and look at boats ,if i am going to do this i need to get everything in place this year so that i can use the boat for the next three seasons ,after that the kids start school and it will be impossible to spend 5-6month a year in the med .so the time scale has to be rushed if this 3 year adventure is going to happen .and yes as and when i have my own boat i will employ a pro skipper to teach me , i would never put my family at risk by thinking i know everything just by doing a 3 day course .

OK, so forget about 'formal' training and qualifications for now. Charter a similar sized boat and skipper and do some informal stuff for both of you, to get used to boat handling and crewing. You've got over winter to do the theory stuff at your leisure, then you will have your own boat ready next season, with a skipper who can teach you to handle it and pass you off on ICC/DS as necessary. That way you get to do the practical quals on your own boat.

And you get to enjoy October, not be in a rush to get a course done, even if it's not the right one.

BTW, no need to assume we thought you would turn out to be a homicidal maniac. It's probably quite difficult to put your family at real risk on a 20m boat in the Med, but the usual sad end to boating involves a couple of crunches in the marina that damage GRP and pride, and a lot of husband/wife shouting matches...

 

[squadron]

OK, so forget about 'formal' training and qualifications for now. Charter a similar sized boat and skipper and do some informal stuff for both of you, to get used to boat handling and crewing. You've got over winter to do the theory stuff at your leisure, then you will have your own boat ready next season, with a skipper who can teach you to handle it and pass you off on ICC/DS as necessary. That way you get to do the practical quals on your own boat.

er? thats sort of what i am doing with the icc isnt it , after all i am effectively chartering a boat with a skipper ??

 

[Wiggo]

er? thats sort of what i am doing with the icc isnt it , after all i am effectively chartering a boat with a skipper ??

No, not really. You're paying to do a course and that fee happens to include the use of a boat and instructor. So, rather than worrying about actually doing the ICC on the right boat (47 open vs 40 fly), just forget about the ICC. Neither of those boats will be close to the handling of a 20m boat anyway.

Charter a 20m boat and skipper and see how you get on with the boat. Better still, charter a 20m planing boat, then a 20m displacement hull to see what style of boating you prefer. Stop working yourself into a lather about training and the right instructor/boat/school/price combo and go and find out about boating instead...

 

[squadron]

No, not really. You're paying to do a course and that fee happens to include the use of a boat and instructor. So, rather than worrying about actually doing the ICC on the right boat (47 open vs 40 fly), just forget about the ICC. Neither of those boats will be close to the handling of a 20m boat anyway.

Charter a 20m boat and skipper and see how you get on with the boat. Better still, charter a 20m planing boat, then a 20m displacement hull to see what style of boating you prefer. Stop working yourself into a lather about training and the right instructor/boat/school/price combo and go and find out about boating instead...

but do you realise how much a 20m boat costs per week , about 18k euro ,x by 2 as you suggest, 36k euro i dont see the value ? i could put that money towards marina fees and fuel and actually purchasing a boat.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

but do you realise how much a 20m boat costs per week , about 18k euro ,x by 2 as you suggest, 36k euro i dont see the value ? i could put that money towards marina fees and fuel and actually purchasing a boat.

I think the point that's being made is that you seem to be jumping about all over the place with your choice of boats, without actually having any experience of anything like them at all. The sorts of boats you are talking about are generally not typical choices for a first boat, so the suggestion is that you actually give something of this size a try by chartering, before you spend a load of money on a giant toy that might turn out to be a huge pita and completely wrong for you. Whether you want to charter for two weeks or two days is a personal choice - but I think you'd be nuts to buy something like this without actually trying it first.

So to answer your question - that's where the value is.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[squadron]

I think the point that's being made is that you seem to be jumping about all over the place with your choice of boats, without actually having any experience of anything like them at all. The sorts of boats you are talking about are generally not typical choices for a first boat, so the suggestion is that you actually give something of this size a try by chartering, before you spend a load of money on a giant toy that might turn out to be a huge pita and completely wrong for you. Whether you want to charter for two weeks or two days is a personal choice - but I think you'd be nuts to buy something like this without actually trying it first.

So to answer your question - that's where the value is.

Cheers
Jimmy

hi jimmy , i dont think i am jumping about all over the place with my choice ? i have no choice but to consider this size of boat.
let me remind you that this will be a liveaboard for 5-6months for me and my family 2kids so 3 cabins required, also we will be so close to uk that all our friends and family will undoubtably want to vist as much as possible(we live in taiwan so dont see them for years) , so a crew cabin would also be ideal , please let me know what size boat i should be looking at if i want to live in some degree of comfort ? from the begining i always said sq58/62 princess 61 seemed to offer what i would need , however if you think there is a better smaller boat that i can buy which will give us everything then please suggest some and i can look and learn , dont just tell me i am an idiot for thinking of buying a larger boat , i would be happy to spend less on a smaller boat if it is fit for the purpose i intend to put it to.

thanks
david

 

[Wiggo]

Ah, now that changes things. Sorry to say, David, but I suspect a family of four will go stir crazy living on a 60 foot planing boat for 6 months. My best guess is you would last 5-6 weeks before you decided you needed to get out.

What looks like a huge amount of space on board will very, very quickly become cramped and claustrophobic. Oh, and pre-school children and resale value of large motorboats don't mix well, either (see Deleted User's thread: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326499).

I suspect you will get more useful advice on the liveaboard forum.

 

[squadron]

Ah, now that changes things. Sorry to say, David, but I suspect a family of four will go stir crazy living on a 60 foot planing boat for 6 months. My best guess is you would last 5-6 weeks before you decided you needed to get out.

What looks like a huge amount of space on board will very, very quickly become cramped and claustrophobic. Oh, and pre-school children and resale value of large motorboats don't mix well, either (see Deleted User's thread: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326499).

I suspect you will get more useful advice on the liveaboard forum.

haha, yes i read mikefs thread , and i know what they are capable of, the boat is a means to explore the med from a different perpective , an adventure , it doesnt mean we will live every day on board . the idea is to travel as far as possible in 3 seasons , after that i dont know , i guess it will have to be sold . as for resale values , who knows, thats why i want to find a good used boat so i dont end up like mike worrying about every scratch and broken bit.