i need an icc course help please
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squadron
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Solitaire
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benjenbav
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Oh no, it'll be:
"David? Yes, David? No I meant the other David. David, Yes, No, What? David, I'm talking to David..."
...all day long.
"David? Yes, David? No I meant the other David. David, Yes, No, What? David, I'm talking to David..."
...all day long.
Solitaire
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Oh no, it'll be:
"David? Yes, David? No I meant the other David. David, Yes, No, What? David, I'm talking to David..."
...all day long.
Hurricane
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Is RenegradeMaster (aka Suncoast) still running his school at Duquessa (south Spain)
His location is just inside tidal waters so you would get the full ICC - no tidal endorsement
David (Solitaire)
Ever thought of doing some training at Sant Carles?
There are a few here who would probably like some own boat training and ICC etc.
Maybe we could get some contacts through the SCM bertholders forum.
His location is just inside tidal waters so you would get the full ICC - no tidal endorsement
David (Solitaire)
Ever thought of doing some training at Sant Carles?
There are a few here who would probably like some own boat training and ICC etc.
Maybe we could get some contacts through the SCM bertholders forum.
Solitaire
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PM sent
squadron
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squadron
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dilemma ,your thoughts please
ok i have have two sea schools to choose from with the right course .my dilemma is this .
one school charges approx 900 euro per student including the boat for the 3 day course. the dilemma i have is the boat they use is a (game 47) a sort of open sport fishing boat (sorry i dont know the term to explain it )
the other school is 33% more expensive but they use a phantom 40 , a flybridge cruiser .
my instinct tells me that the more expensive course and boat would give me a better understanding of how thing feel , something more akin to the type of boat i will eventually buy . so my question is, is it worth paying more for a better boat to train on , or am i just being stupid and of course i should just pay for the cheapest as the experience would be just as good ?
many thanks
david
ok i have have two sea schools to choose from with the right course .my dilemma is this .
one school charges approx 900 euro per student including the boat for the 3 day course. the dilemma i have is the boat they use is a (game 47) a sort of open sport fishing boat (sorry i dont know the term to explain it )
the other school is 33% more expensive but they use a phantom 40 , a flybridge cruiser .
my instinct tells me that the more expensive course and boat would give me a better understanding of how thing feel , something more akin to the type of boat i will eventually buy . so my question is, is it worth paying more for a better boat to train on , or am i just being stupid and of course i should just pay for the cheapest as the experience would be just as good ?
many thanks
david
EME
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My advice would be choose your instructor not his/her boat.
Woodie and JTB also advised me to use a med-centric instructor for my refreshers as they know lots of local tips. They really appreciated that knowledge when preparing for their YM.
Woodie and JTB also advised me to use a med-centric instructor for my refreshers as they know lots of local tips. They really appreciated that knowledge when preparing for their YM.
squadron
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well thats not easy , both schools are in mallorca, and also how would i know if one instructor is better than another? is there a list of good and bad instructors that i can refer to , both of the instructors of course are rya quailified .
jimmy_the_builder
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EME
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By asking on here if there are recommendations? Would concern me x10 times as much compared to which boat in your position. What is their style etc. I prefer a strong character, others are different.
Unsurprisingly, No. You may also be surprised that there does not appear to be a list of Bad Pupils
squadron
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hi jimmy , i just dont think that comparing one instructor by name to another is a very nice thing to do on an open forum , my question was more to do with would i be better to do my training on a boat which is a flybridge cruiser, or something which is more like a giant totaly open boat with a helm like a big ribs,
thanks
david
jimmy_the_builder
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You need to make your mind up. I was responding to your question 'how would i know if one instructor is better than another?', which you asked in response to EME's point 'My advice would be choose your instructor not his/her boat.', which I completely agree with.
I think you need to decide what you want to achieve with this training - either you want a good general grounding in boat handling, nav, and local procedures. Or, you want to do all this and also get an idea about the sort of boat you're talking about buying.
In both cases you want to pick the right instructor. In the latter case, you need to charter something similar to the boats you've been referring to. I'm not certain that there's a sufficient parallel between say a Phantom 40 and a Squadron 58 to say that doing the course on a Phantom 40 is representative enough of larger flybridges to give you a good enough flavour.
At the risk of sounding a bit blunt, trying to save a couple of quid here and there on the ICC course doesn't really square with your plan of buying a 20m flybridge; if you are serious about this as your first boat, you should be chartering one, and doing your ICC on that. Budget £6k to do it properly in a couple of days in October.
Cheers
Jimmy
squadron
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where did i say i want to save money? what i wanted to know was should i spend more to do the course on flybridge boat or not , i thought the question quite innocent but i seem to have upset you ? maybe my question was not clear enough, but i think 6k as you suggest to do an icc course a bit o.t.t. .
thanks
david
jimmy_the_builder
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Tee-hee, not upset at all, maybe I misread your previous post:
... which to my reading seems to be about the money.
I didn't say an ICC would cost £6k. What I was trying to say was, to get a flavour of the sort of boat you're talking about buying, you should budget £6k, charter one for a couple of days, and do the ICC at the same time.
Cheers
Jimmy
EME
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SquadronWe are (politely) suggesting you are confusing your needs & priorities.
Your question about which boat to choose for instruction ( knowing nothing of the instructors) is rather like asking the question " I want to learn to play golf -- I have 2 instructors. One plays Mizuno, the other Ping --- which should I go for?".
My own suggestion: -
1) Do a Day Skipper course -- its longer and you'll have a great holiday as well as learning
2) Choose your instructor ( if you ask for PMs you will get them). Ignore any thought that the boat colour is 'wrong'.
Instructors are worth their weight gold and earn every penny they are paid --- every penny spent will be some of the best value you will get in boating. Some are however better than others , or their style more akin to your own preferred learning stsyle. I think Jimmy underestimated at a budget of £6000 for the whole process (not just a course) ... most of us dont want to add up the true cost of our learning ( and some like me are still at it).
3) Buy your Boat
4) Do MORE instruction on your own boat -- endlessly reversing down fairways . moving off anchored lazy lines , going onto your and other berths. Practising anchoring etc
Your question about which boat to choose for instruction ( knowing nothing of the instructors) is rather like asking the question " I want to learn to play golf -- I have 2 instructors. One plays Mizuno, the other Ping --- which should I go for?".
My own suggestion: -
1) Do a Day Skipper course -- its longer and you'll have a great holiday as well as learning
2) Choose your instructor ( if you ask for PMs you will get them). Ignore any thought that the boat colour is 'wrong'.
Instructors are worth their weight gold and earn every penny they are paid --- every penny spent will be some of the best value you will get in boating. Some are however better than others , or their style more akin to your own preferred learning stsyle. I think Jimmy underestimated at a budget of £6000 for the whole process (not just a course) ... most of us dont want to add up the true cost of our learning ( and some like me are still at it).
3) Buy your Boat
4) Do MORE instruction on your own boat -- endlessly reversing down fairways . moving off anchored lazy lines , going onto your and other berths. Practising anchoring etc
squadron
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i do intend to spend more money on further training ,but at the moment i dont have time to do the dayskipper theory course in advance of the practical , the training in mallorca is just the first step. and i am actually paying for the charter of the boat on the more expensive course , might be worth asking for an upgrade as you suggest.
thanks
david
EME
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Day Skipper Theory
For what it's worth. I wouldnt bother doing DS Theory before doing the practical .
Several reasons, but mainly cos YM Theory is much much more comprehensive and the 'right' thing to do when the time is right whilst DS Theory is important but basic.
My observations :-
a)Looking at the RYA DS Theory book the night before and during the week will give you everything you need -- if you done any map or chart work in the past then you will 'get it' anyways
b) Have a crack at some of the online buoyage and 'lights' 'tests' -- you'll soon learn which is which
c) The instructor will take you through the basics anyways
For what it's worth. I wouldnt bother doing DS Theory before doing the practical .
Several reasons, but mainly cos YM Theory is much much more comprehensive and the 'right' thing to do when the time is right whilst DS Theory is important but basic.
My observations :-
a)Looking at the RYA DS Theory book the night before and during the week will give you everything you need -- if you done any map or chart work in the past then you will 'get it' anyways
b) Have a crack at some of the online buoyage and 'lights' 'tests' -- you'll soon learn which is which
c) The instructor will take you through the basics anyways