I need a faster boat

all appears relative. have you got a regular crew to make an exceptionally fast boat go, and stay on it's feet? or do you just want to go relativly fast compared to other contempory monos? I find that looking at handicaps give a good idea of a boats capable proformance . look here www.byronsoftware.org.uk.
anything that is below 1050 is getting there pretty quick, and below a 1000, is really quick without planing around all over the place. one of the fastest boats i ever sailed was a van de stadt pioneer 9. it seemed to do seven knots without any effort at all and 10 in a reasonable wind.
 
No I don't have a crew, in fact I usually sail 2 up and sometimes singlehanded, if that would cause anyone to rethink their advice.

What struck me with this Farr 40 though was how well behaved it was, though to be fair we weren't pushing it.

Must say though that getting the main up was a 4 man job requiring one to steer, one to guide the luff rope in to the track, and then some bizarre arrangement involving a man below decks pulling on the halyard which was then led up through the companionway to a winch and crew #4.

Most decent boats are fast in F5 but I was just astonished by the light airs performance of this one and I was hoping there might be something for 1/10th the price that was nearly as good! Then again I suppose everyone would be sailing them.
 
Just catching up with this thread (don't often bother to go right back to Square One) cos it was music to my ears - UNTIL I READ YOUR LAST!
Singlehanding? Perhaps 2 bods on board? You have had input from some very knowledgeable sailors so am willing to be corrected, but if you don't want to just zap around in a cockleshell with 3 legs (sorry you trimaran buffs) everything of half-ton size is labour intentive: twin luff foils, poles, runners, kickers, not to mention Cunninghams and Barber Haulers - we had 30, yes thirty bits of string in the cockpit of my last 9.20m cruiser-racer. Comfortable cruising for 5 bods but needing 6 round the cans.
You want men and muscle to keep that sort of boat sailing anywhere near its potential - or simply changing underwear when planing at 16 knots!
But you are SO RIGHT to move on from the Liz 29 . How about a partnership on a Sigma 33 or a Conti 32? I know the snags when buying boats that have been raced hard, but you get some competitive class racing too.
Or perhaps you just want to sail fast without getting into the racing scene? Don't be deterred - to sail past others who are motoring in light airs gives a real buzz. And whatever we did and whoever was on board, the last word as we hit the road on Sunday afternoons was always "Thanks for a great sail".
Go for it, I'll be watching with interest.
 
But this is the thing. Sorry to go on about this Farr 40 but apart from the antics involved in getting the main up, there was NO difference in sailing that to my Liz 29:
- No muscle
- No leaping around
- No running backstays
- 12ish lines in to the cockpit
- Just get the sails up, set them, and watch the water fly past for hours on end.
- No foresail reefing but that's OK

I should probably admit that it slammed like buggery to windward in F5 but you can't have everything /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm saddened by the negative report of the Formula 28 as this was my main hope. If anyone wants to tell me how great they are then feel free! The Laser 28 sounds super except there doesn't seem to be any in this country.

Keep it coming chaps. Other candidates: Figaro One (if there are any), First 30, Carter 35??? What about this:

http://www.dickies.co.uk/viewboat/DOB3602/sail_Sailing_Cruiser/Carter_35.html
 
Most of the recommendations here fall into the category of what kiwi sailors would lable as "heavy sh!tters" and certainly not fast.

If you want something to embarrass other 30 footers around you then J92 is your boat:

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UK website here:

J92 UK

Includes a for sale section (haven't checked prices tho).

Hold on tight and good luck.
 
Ridgy,

why not consider what I do. I have a very manky old Sadler 25 for cruising with SWMBO and the two mini SWMBO's, and a Hobie 16 for the adrenalin rushes.

Best of both worlds??

Tim
 
Fair enough, on the aforementioned budget alone, a J92 is most unlikely… I’ll wind in my enthusiasm and shut up about them.

Dare I mention the J80 ? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
That particular boat was one of the reasons for the initial post! There is another in Cork for 12k euros but I can't find anyone with good things to say about them /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
A nice thought but I barely have time to sail one boat never mind two! what I'm really after is super quick passage making especially in light airs ie most of the time.
 
Hmm, interesting. There is one here. Perhaps a little small but at those prices I might be able to keep the Liz on the hard and give one a go for a year without losing any money.

Are they safe offshore?

Don't spose you have any kind words for the Formula 28? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Bull 7000 ??

Details.

The owner I used to crew for moved on from a Liz 29 to a Bull. He took it across the channel a couple of times but accomodation is very limitted. Goes like stink though; and the prices are in your budget.
 
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