I Keep getting offers on my boat

[henryf]

A couple of points:

A few people have said the £650 clean doesn't look to have been carried out very well. We didn't see the boat before they started so probably hard for us to judge.

The boat isn't actually up at £45k, it's £55k but to say because of it's price it doesn't have to be presented as well is nonsense. No matter what the price you need to pull out all the stops and maximise the financial return. It way be you can polish a bit of profit into your boat. Re read the initial thread starting post. A chap asking why people are judging his boat purely on how low he will go financially.

The answer is there are no juices flowing when viewing the advert.

Henry

 

[MapisM]

possibly IPS/sterndrive boats might retain their values better due to their inherently better fuel consumption

Apologies to hlb for the thread drift, but I always failed to understand the "IPS/sterndrive=better mileage" argument.
With boats, there are ony two ways known to mankind which give significant fuel savings.
The first is the one we MoBoers are too lazy to consider, hence I'm not even mentioning it.
And the second, which is the only practical one, is slow down.
But since I've yet to see any IPS or sterndrive boat which is designed for slow cruising, my impression is that the "better efficiency" argument is just a marketing hype.
Yep, maybe the same hull at 30kts burns a tad less if pushed by IPS compared to shafts. And surely it burns even less if pushed by sterndrives.
The point is, so what, when nobody will want 30kts boats anymore?

 

[Otter]

The answer is there are no juices flowing when viewing the advert.

Spot on analysis in my opinion, and Boatshed should have explained how to do this; it's no good them just saying 'we photograph what's there'. When we sold our last house the agent went round first pointing out a list of things to do before it was photographed - they knew best and we needed their perspective.

 

[Firefly625]

A couple of points:

A few people have said the £650 clean doesn't look to have been carried out very well. We didn't see the boat before they started so probably hard for us to judge.

The boat isn't actually up at £45k, it's £55k but to say because of it's price it doesn't have to be presented as well is nonsense. No matter what the price you need to pull out all the stops and maximise the financial return. It way be you can polish a bit of profit into your boat. Re read the initial thread starting post. A chap asking why people are judging his boat purely on how low he will go financially.

The answer is there are no juices flowing when viewing the advert.

Henry

I do agree with Henry... its simple, shiny sells.

 

[gjgm]

I am not sure that is really the problem. There will always be people who want to spend their money on something they fancy, be it a watch, a car,a fifth wife...
However, just as with the above, second hand boats reach a point where the wow factor doesnt outweigh the costs.
Lets just say it costs £10k to run a 35ft boat. If you've just spent £250k on a new one, you probably dont care, but £10k a year on a £45k boat is a huge annual outlay, and most of that is probably the parking space, not fuel. You can possibly reverse the argument.. if you can afford £10k a year running a boat, you can probably afford something more expensive to start with.

 

[Firefly625]

Spot on analysis in my opinion, and Boatshed should have explained how to do this; it's no good them just saying 'we photograph what's there'. When we sold our last house the agent went round first pointing out a list of things to do before it was photographed - they knew best and we needed their perspective.

when I sold my last boat, I took all the photos and emailed them to Ancasta, I also wrote the advert. The boat sold within 3 weeks for quite a %age more than I had paid just 18 months previously. I bought it when it was looking tired, had a poor advert and poor pictures all taken and written by the brokers who had taken the boat in part ex.. mmm, you may argue that is what we are paying brokers for... I must agree. But I would not lie back and see my boat being advertised in manner that is detrimental to a sale... In today's internet world you have a nanosecond to grab someone's attention my a small thumbnail picture of your boat, a blurred image, or one of just half a boat is just a joke and it makes me incredibly cross. When will brokers
finally get serious with boat adverts!!

As for the rest of the photo's taken by boatshed of hlb's p35... I think picture 26 sums it up.. honestly.. someone has loaded that picture up, looked at it and thought, yeh, that will do..! I almost feel like driving to North Wales with my camera!

 

[Firefly625]

I am not sure that is really the problem. There will always be people who want to spend their money on something they fancy, be it a watch, a car,a fifth wife...
However, just as with the above, second hand boats reach a point where the wow factor doesnt outweigh the costs.
Lets just say it costs £10k to run a 35ft boat. If you've just spent £250k on a new one, you probably dont care, but £10k a year on a £45k boat is a huge annual outlay, and most of that is probably the parking space, not fuel. You can possibly reverse the argument.. if you can afford £10k a year running a boat, you can probably afford something more expensive to start with.

I can't.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Apologies to hlb for the thread drift, but I always failed to understand the "IPS/sterndrive=better mileage" argument.
With boats, there are ony two ways known to mankind which give significant fuel savings.
The first is the one we MoBoers are too lazy to consider, hence I'm not even mentioning it.
And the second, which is the only practical one, is slow down.
But since I've yet to see any IPS or sterndrive boat which is designed for slow cruising, my impression is that the "better efficiency" argument is just a marketing hype.
Yep, maybe the same hull at 30kts burns a tad less if pushed by IPS compared to shafts. And surely it burns even less if pushed by sterndrives.
The point is, so what, when nobody will want 30kts boats anymore?

Thats where you and I disagree. There will always be people who want 30kt boats but most people will want to know they are consuming as little fuel as possible to achieve that 30kts. The better efficiency of IPS/sterndrives is not marketing hype, it is accepted fact. Yes, over a season, the saving in fuel is not going to be huge compared to the other costs of running a motorboat but that's not the point. The point is that there is a saving and buyers will want IPS/Sterndrive because of that.
I don't believe we will ever get to the point where there are no boaters who want to go fast. The need for speed is hard wired into many human beings, me included. The question is how we are going to satisfy that need at a reasonable cost

 

[henryf]

I specifically wouldn't buy an IPS boat because rightly or wrongly I see them as a liability in the future as things need to be mended. The sea is a harsh place to live and IPS is still a relatively new technology. It's bad enough looking after a pair of out drives let alone IPS drives. One can only imagine how many zeros are on the invoice when you need to replace them.

To be fair shaft drives aren't maintenance free. I had to change the cutlass bearings on our last boat after a mere 10 years. A couple of hundred quid it cost too

Back on topic, cheap boats do have a place in spite of the on going costs. Many end up on cheaper swinging moorings and some people don't mind the annual costs but don't want depreciation and / or several hundred thousand pounds tied up in their boat.

Just look round your marina and see how many sub £100k motor boats there are.

Logic, common sense and boating rarely share the same sentence unless "lack of" is thrown in

Henry

 

[gjgm]

I can't.

But I guess the wow/fun factor does outweight the costs, for you. I just suggest the lack of popularity of some boats might be linked to the asset value/outgoing costs ratio.

 

[MapisM]

Thats where you and I disagree.
...
I don't believe we will ever get to the point where there are no boaters who want to go fast. The need for speed is hard wired into many human beings, me included. The question is how we are going to satisfy that need at a reasonable cost

We don't disagree that much, actually.
I also think that there will always be boaters who occasionally want to actually drive, rather than just helm, a boat. I'm one of those, in fact. But the two things are in completely different leagues, to the point that there's no such thing as a boat capable of satisfying both the driving and the cruising needs.
I've been on a few 40+ kts biggish open boats. Arnesons, huge engines, and so forth. Arguably, much better than any 30 kts flybridge for satisfying the need for speed you're talking about. But even those machines are not good enough in that respect. Almost boring, actually.
They're rather aimed at satisfying the owners' ego, more than anything else. Which is yet another niche of the market, of course. And also this one will never disappear completely, albeit it's shrinking by the day.
But that has nothing to see with those who either like just cruising or really like driving.

 

[lovezoo]

As for the rest of the photo's taken by boatshed of hlb's p35... I think picture 26 sums it up.. honestly.. someone has loaded that picture up, looked at it and thought, yeh, that will do..! I almost feel like driving to North Wales with my camera!

I would nominate this picture as the worst of the bunch:

I mean, why would you want to show anybody that?

 

[harstonwood]

I have a suspicion that the pictures were taken before the £650 clean..........If so I would have thought that Boatshed would update the photos for HLB..............particularly as their office is less that 100yds from where the boat is on the hard

 

[Philiz]

I would nominate this picture as the worst of the bunch:

I mean, why would you want to show anybody that?

That's H's world famous in flight re-fuelling system, looks like he's left his bagpipes on board too

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

That's H's world famous in flight re-fuelling system, looks like he's left his bagpipes on board too

I was wondering exactly what that was too. I thought it might be Haydn's on board illegal hooch still in which he distills the contents of his holding tank into 90% proof alcohol

 

[oldgit]

Noticeable by its absence ?

While wandering around the boat show at Southampton there was distinct lack of people waving flags for IPS merely a unit on display in the Volvo stand.It does seem that the builders have fallen silent regards the advantages of the system
Walking past reading all those little info boards outside each boat on the pontoons failed to announce a single IPS powered boat that I could spot.Most noticably Fairline.Smaller stuff on outdrives,bigger on shafts,not a sniff of IPS.
Has all the introductory hype and bluster all died down now and perhaps IPS be only found in few niche market sport boats and hence slowly fading into obscurity as time goes on,simply because a critical mass has not been achieved.?

 

[rafiki_]

I think the Sealine F42 is on IPS or CMD equivalent. Helps to give the space that makes the F42 such a wow.
You are right though in general, there are more boats with sterndrives up to about 42 foot. I guess these are even better for packaging and fuel economy, and even easier to install.

 

[benjenbav]

This ad shows my old Sq58, which I sold 4 years ago, and which is now back up for sale.

This is a sad, sad anoraky point but iirc all blue was banned from that boat and so what on earth are those two young ladies doing reclining on original F/L blue/white cushions. At first, I thought that must be a library shot but it's Antibes fort in the background so mebbe it's the actual boat and the sand coloured sumbrella cushions were retained by the previous owner?

 

[benjenbav]

This is a sad, sad anoraky point but iirc all blue was banned from that boat and so what on earth are those two young ladies doing reclining on original F/L blue/white cushions. At first, I thought that must be a library shot but it's Antibes fort in the background so mebbe it's the actual boat and the sand coloured sumbrella cushions were retained by the previous owner?

Aaargh, just ignore me. That was the other one wasn't it?

 

[Firefly625]

I have a suspicion that the pictures were taken before the £650 clean..........If so I would have thought that Boatshed would update the photos for HLB..............particularly as their office is less that 100yds from where the boat is on the hard

... I, as most on here, probably have looked at hundreds of boats on Boatshed, and my general opinion of Boatshed has always been that it is a second class substitute for a proper brokerage office.

Now perhaps that is unjust, but I have drawn those conclusions over the years mainly due to the copious poor quality photos and inaccurate descriptions. It may be just me that thinks that, as always just IMO

As I say, you draw instant opinions on boats the moment you look at pictures

as an example, here are 2 Hardy Mariners which are currently for sale,

This one is is listed £3k more than the second one... the interior pictures of this boat are close to being OK, but just ruined by small things, like theres a screwed up dishcloth on the drainer ansd a bottle of water and dustbin in shot, a toilet rolls and air freshener in the heads. At the end of the day if you price your boat at the top of the market your boat needs to look worth it..

To be honest, even this picture is not perfect, certainly a higher resolution would have helped and I would have zoomed in a touch + put the fenders away rather than just hooking them over on the side decks. But all the pictures of this Hardy's interior are excellent, not one personal belonging in sight, looks like its just fresh out the factory.. That would make me want to view this boat... and not surprising its listed with Ancasta.