I hate to do this...but

Like I said in an earlier post on the tread been pulled, Mr. C has been at work for many years with his self-made kit of marketing strategy, invented if you like, inventors are a breed of their own when it comes to passion, big difference, his dad invented their anchor, passion everywhere, Mr. C invented his own marketing tactics’ passion everywhare, lies, smoke screens, deceit,and yey more have been displayed.

So pleased with his success his passion spills out to others with in the organization,, we have seen one example of this, the independent testing of a rickety anchor from one of his learned ex colleges, and now the rickety camps latest smoke screen. Mr. C ,time to be careful, you are not far from falling on your own sword, my main worry is that when you do the rickety camp will be chasing you single file and all may suffer the same fate.

I don’t know if any off you can understand the legal implications of displaying to the public what has been posted with Steve’s last post.

The PDF file is bad enough but the unproven criminal remarks totally unjustified as nothing is proven, not unlike the S/H/H/Power test cetrts, G. K. may have to change his identity after this, or where a mask because of what was posted, Steve I think if you were worried about the countdown, Don’t as you have avoided this one, it’s the catch up one now that you have created, cannot avoid it, so if you can make a personal judgment, then mine is justified, tell us why your anchors are not certified.

Rex.
Anchor Right Australia.
 
G.Mac

Like I said in one of my earlier posts, the title should be a remake of dumb and dumber, I have no doubt it would over shadow the original, the fly on the wall, if only he could talk.

Rex.
Anchor Right Australia.
 
There were so many allegations and counter allegations it was hard to decide which was truth and which was fiction.
Strangley enough I am trying to buy a new anchor at the moment and with everything that was said I was left totally confused and still don't know which one to buy and which tests or hype to believe.
 
Nostrodamus said:
There were so many allegations and counter allegations it was hard to decide which was truth and which was fiction.
Strangley enough I am trying to buy a new anchor at the moment and with everything that was said I was left totally confused and still don't know which one to buy and which tests or hype to believe.
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Go to a boat jumble and buy one for about 10% of the cost of a new one?
 
The local blacksmith has offered me his old anvil cheap.
If I add chain to this, get my son to say how good it is do you think I have a chance of persuading a few people on here to buy it.
I did some welding at school and had some lego as a kid so I do have credentials.
And if you want to say otherwise I do have a lot of toys I can throw in the corner.
 
Nostrodamus said:
There were so many allegations and counter allegations it was hard to decide which was truth and which was fiction.
Strangley enough I am trying to buy a new anchor at the moment and with everything that was said I was left totally confused and still don't know which one to buy and which tests or hype to believe.
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Many of the posts were directed at discussing personalities, which is a pity because it does tend to confuse the important message that the new generation anchors are significantly better than their predecessors.
My own view is that the best anchors that I have seen are in order.
Rocna
Manson Supreme
Spade
Bugal
Delta

You cannot go wrong with any of the above, particularly the top 3
 
noelex said:
Many of the posts were directed at discussing personalities, which is a pity because it does tend to confuse the important message that the new generation anchors are significantly better than their predecessors.
My own view is that the best anchors that I have seen are in order.
Rocna
Manson Supreme
Spade
Bugal
Delta

You cannot go wrong with any of the above, particularly the top 3
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I assume by 'best' you mean 'best setting and holding', so is that list sorted by weight, by cost or by physical size? Or to put it another way are you saying the top one is the best anchor for a given weight, the best anchor per £ or the best anchor of the dimensions?
 
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Mark-1 said:
I assume by 'best' you mean 'best setting and holding', so is that list sorted by weight, by cost or by physical size? Or to up it another way are you saying the top one is the best anchor for a given weight, the best anchor per £ or the best anchor of the dimensions?
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No, he's saying that, in his opinion, that is the order he would rank them in. Surely it's unrealistic to rank them in the single ways which you have listed, you need to weigh up all the pro's and cons' to make an assessment?

His ranking is fair enough....even though I don't agree with his first choice! :p
 
Am I really sorry -or am I just saying that?

I feel sorry for those who succumbed* to Mr Smith's sales technique and paid out lots of wonga for anchors that are probably not very much better (if at all) than most other popular anchors.

* By the way, I wonder if the word 'sucker' (in the sense of one who has been taken for a ride) derives from 'succumb' :D
 
Rigger Mortice said:
No, he's saying that, in his opinion, that is the order he would rank them in.
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Ranking according to what though? The ranking means nothing unless we know rougly what factors he includes and excludes to make the comparison.

Admittedly, I'm playing devil's advocate here since I think the things that make one anchor better than another are impossible to measure and often totally subjective. Which is why we can have 700 post arguments about the subject.
 
ctva said:
Between here, AS and CF, I've just spent 4 hours catching up on these threads that I'd missed. Best forum threads ever!
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Missed the whole shooting match.How can something as basic as anchors generate such controversy:confused:

Maybe there's something exciting about East Enders & I have missed out all this time :D
 
Mark-1 said:
Ranking according to what though? The ranking means nothing unless we know roughly what factors he includes and excludes to make the comparison.

Admittedly, I'm playing devil's advocate here since I think the things that make one anchor better than another are impossible to measure and often totally subjective. Which is why we can have 700 post arguments about the subject.
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I realise that you are playing devils advocate, but it's very difficult to be completely objective about these things. Buying behaviour is complex and sometimes people don't even really know why they favour one product over another.
Some people may buy a stainless anchor because they think it will look good on their bow or it's the latest model....but they won't admit it. They'll talk about holding power or something else, even though it may only be used as an occasional lunchtime hook. (nothing wrong with that either!)

Having said that, the original list looks to me to be a perfectly reasonable list to me even if I don't agree with one choice! :o
 
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There is no one best anchor, your deluded if you think there is. There is a best anchor for certain sets of conditions and just like the conditions change the 'best anchor' changes with them.

Put your million dollar Rocna into a soft soupy mud like seabed and the dude next door with the $2 Danforth pattern will be better anchored, assuming both are set-up well. Move to a hard packed sand bottom and the situation reverses. It's that simple.

75% of people buy an anchor on price. Put a Spade next to a Rocna next to a Supreme next to a Raya next to a Ultra and say they are all very good, the cheapest one is the one most will walk out the door with. The second most seen reason is 'My mate has one and says they are great', that mate sells a huge number of anchors. 3rd most seen reason is fitting, if that means a smaller than recommend anchor so be it, most will go down a size if it fits, sad as that may appear to many more knowledgeable anchorers.

This whole anchoring debarcle is only in the cruising yacht section of the market generally. The rest don't really care as long as it works, as 95% of ALL anchors do if set up and used properly.
 
noelex said:
Many of the posts were directed at discussing personalities, which is a pity because it does tend to confuse the important message that the new generation anchors are significantly better than their predecessors.
My own view is that the best anchors that I have seen are in order.
Rocna
Manson Supreme
Spade
Bugal
Delta

You cannot go wrong with any of the above, particularly the top 3
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Just for arguments sake and with all the caveats about what best means my list would be -

Spade
Kobra 2
Fortress
Manson Supreme
Delta
Bugal

Prior to the hullabaloo would have rated Rocna third, but until questions are answered would not wish to take the risk of buying it.
 
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Itegrity

Sorry but the historic thread,which seems to have been pulled for some odd reasons, was not about anchor performance but about executive performance.

If you want your kids to grow up with standards like those of Rocna, Holdfast and the the Smiths - then by all means continue to support them. I find it abhorent - and with other choices of anchor it is difficult to see Rocna being mentioned. Libel, insult, misrepresentation should be condemned - not taken as being part of everyday socitey and a means of entertainment.

You would not accept it in your local school, you would not accept it in your local pub - why is acceptable for an anchor or anchor manufactuer?
 
I will make a choice of anchors not based on any sales patter but from talking to people who have actually used them.
Just because I do or do not like a person or compny is of no consequence.
What is important is that my choice will give my family the most saftey under anchor and I intend to do that a lot.
I will keep my old CQR which I believe is not heavy enough but gives me other options as well as a fortress.
Having spoken to many people on this subject over the past year my choice is going to be..... well I wouldn't want to start anything would I.
 
I also do not like the fact that I am being sent private messages as a result of saying that I am lookig for an anchor by one particular dealer.
I come on these forums to discus various sailing matters, not to get products thrust at me!!!!!
 
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