I hate to do this...but

vyv_cox said:
. Not sure about the rusty one though: there could be many reasons for this even on a well-galvanised product. My new chain, bought from a reputable supplier, was worse than this after two seasons..
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Sorry, I should have said. I understand that the rusty one is stainless!!!

vyv_cox said:
. As I see the Craig issue, his outbursts have been excessive on many occasions but he was supporting a product that he believed to be first class. We have it on Holfast's assertion that he no longer represents the current Rocna management and, by inference, their current product. I find his continuing silence as meaningful as Rocna's.
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Yes, for a long while I thought that he was just over enthusiastic (unpleasantly so, but nothing more than youthful exuberance). It is now looking as if his relentless promotion of Racno was at best reckless, at worst deliberate connivance.
 
I currently have a CQR anchor so I am looking to buy a new SHHP anchor.
I spoke to many people and the Rocna got excellent reviews by those who use them.
I almost placed an order but at the time I was doing so the news on Mansons site broke and I felt that as a result it was unsafe to buy a Rocna. I still have not decided on which anchor I should buy.
I believe that a forum is like speakers corner and anyone with a valid point should be allowed to speak. Some will heckle them, some will ignore them and some will listen.
I would like to listen to a reply from Craig or anyone from Rocna or Piplers who must be aware of this thread but the soap box is empty.
Listening to one side is like reading a novel with the last chapter removed but there are also those who are very good at making up their own endings.

Can someone tell me why the previous thread was suspended?
 
Thank yufor that but who threatened legal action and knowing what we do now does it still apply. Is this one of those high Court gagging orders?
 
Nostrodamus said:
Thank yufor that but who threatened legal action and knowing what we do now does it still apply. Is this one of those high Court gagging orders?
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We haven't been told and Natalie has been curiously silent about it. Maybe she has caught the same illness which seems to have afflicted Racno and the Anchorsmith? Three weeks of investigation seems to be overly thorough.

FWIW, I reckon that it was Racno who threatened legal action because they didn't like what was being said by Grant/Whaleboy. Laughable really as Racno and the Anchorsmith have been prepared to slag anyone and everyone off for years.

If it were a High Court gagging order then my last paragraph will be moderated out!
 
I agree that things can go too far but surley could you just not remove the offending posts rather than the whole lot. I also believe that grant was totally upfron and spoke about the allegations on here but I don't think they need to be revisited.
 
Nostrodamus said:
I would like to listen to a reply from Craig or anyone from Rocna or Piplers who must be aware of this thread but the soap box is empty.
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PM them? That saves them from stepping back into the bear pit, which they will be understandably reluctant to do.
 
RichardS said:
It was apparently the Rocna MD who posted potentially libellous allegations about Grant King's personal life which were not directly related to the steel quality issue.

Richard
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I think those allegations turned out to be true and therefore not libellous. (Although not much to do with anchors!)
 
Mark-1 said:
PM them? That saves them from stepping back into the bear pit, which they will be understandably reluctant to do.
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The forum is public and I believe this is where any reply should be made.
PM is a private matter and if someone did reply to me I have morals and would not repeat it.
 
RichardS said:
It was apparently the Rocna MD who posted potentially libellous allegations about Grant King's personal life which were not directly related to the steel quality issue.
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I very much doubt that that was the reason. We were told that IPC had received threats of legal action and I don't think Grant would have made such a threat.
I'ld lay money on it being Racno that got the thread pulled.
Unless you know that your version is correct?
 
Nostrodamus said:
The forum is public and I believe this is where any reply should be made.
PM is a private matter and if someone did reply to me I have morals and would not repeat it.
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It would be very uncharitable to suggest you're just trying to lure your prey back into the fray rather than getting legitimate questions answered, so I won't.
 
Rigger Mortice said:
Mmmm!
No thoughts on the integrity of a supplier then?
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There was another post which stated that the Venice anchor was NZ made , can't be bothered to look for it. If you are having a go about lack of quality control and materials used below what was stated then fair call, if you are suggesting that all rocnas will fail then you have nothing to back that up. Thousands made in china and not a single failure.


From Brian to put the Venice in a bit more perspective.
As you may already know, our anchors disassemble and we offer a Lifetime Parts Replacement Warranty, so we have seen and replaced a few bent shanks over the past 20 years or so that we have been in business.

Quite simply, it is possible bend a shank if the flukes are not able to turn with the anchor due to the fact that the flukes are stuck in rocks, or the anchor is buried so deeply that the flukes can't move, etc.

Bob Taylor, a former US Navy soil mechanics and anchor design expert, told me that he once pulled up a 10 ton stockless anchor with a bent shank, which he was shocked to see, so bending a shank is certainly possible with almost any anchor.
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Rigger Mortice said:
I very much doubt that that was the reason. We were told that IPC had received threats of legal action and I don't think Grant would have made such a threat.
I'ld lay money on it being Racno that got the thread pulled.
Unless you know that your version is correct?
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As soon as "the" allegation was made the thread got pulled. I've no idea who complained but it won't have been Grant and it can't have been Rocna because they made the claim.
 
Conachair said:
There was another post which stated that the Venice anchor was NZ made , can't be bothered to look for it. If you are having a go about lack of quality control and materials used below what was stated then fair call, if you are suggesting that all rocnas will fail then you have nothing to back that up. Thousands made in china and not a single failure. .
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It's a pity that you can't be bothered to check your facts. Grant has made it absolutely clear that the Venice anchor was of Chinese manufacture.

I have never said that all Racnos will fail. I have made it clear that my concern is that we have a manufacturer claiming to use one grade of steel, but using a lower grade. They also claimed to have RINA certification and were shown not to.

You may think that all this is acceptable conduct for a manufacturer of important boating equipment. I don't.

As an aside, I'm intrigued that you claim that there has not been a single failure of the Chinese anchors. Do you have access to the Racno complaints records or are you simply making an assumption which you couldn't be bothered to check?
 
Mark-1 said:
As soon as "the" allegation was made the thread got pulled. I've no idea who complained but it won't have been Grant and it can't have been Rocna because they made the claim.
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There were lots of allegations flying around at the time. Grant was temporarily banned. Time will tell, but my money is that it was Racno who got the thread pulled because of one of the other allegations. They probably hoped that it would stop the speculation about their conduct. It didn't! :):)
 
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