Hull inspection

Re: Hull3 inspection

jimmy_the_builder said:
If you're going to be uber-picky about the boat you're going to buy (and there's nothing wrong with being uber-picky) then you're going to have to make some effort to find that boat. Travelling to Ireland isn't that much of a big deal. You could ask the vendor for a video first, and sight of the relevant paperwork, all before actually booking the flights.
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I do wish OP all the best on getting on the water again but it seems to me he is looking for a well underpriced boat, which of course can also be termed "fair value".
I do recall being politely told in response to my question as to why I can't buy this boat-
Well, you are not paying enough-
So, I paid enough and went boating.
Each to his own, and some are happy to spend a couple of years on that rare bargain...possible bargain...but there are always going to be on going costs. If you want to enjoy your boating then IMHO these absolutely have to be in your comfort zone.
In my calcs, the price is not really THAT key over the total costs ,say,over the best 5 years.What..a few pct? If you can't afford a few pct, I think you are in a major danger zone.
I genuinely don't get this fixation on buying price. Hell, it's alot worse from here on, anyway.
Just tagged onto your comment JTB...
 
russ said:
Shame its in Ireland otherwise worth a look.
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That boat has been for sale for a good while. Presuming there’s no issue with it I would say it’s in the wrong place to sell. The upside of all this is at least you’re unlikely to be gazumped like before. Getting there is a flight to Dublin and a 2hr drive. Lift outs for a survey would be cheap compared to the UK south coast, 200eur would cover it I’d say. Also where it is is a lovely place, you could have a nice weekend to boot.

Trucking it to the UK is going to cost obviously but it’s doable. I’d say there’s a good chance of a return trip considering where it is.
 
seastoke said:
Russ there are that many s34 for sale, there must be a good one ,out there or are not really looking
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Only 9 in the UK being advertised of which 5 are sold.
Two I have already looked at. Not interested in one with mercruiser diesels. Other in north Wales but haven’t the time to travel up there just yet.
Maybe a few will turn up after the boat show.
 
Ferris said:
OP may not want to travel too Ireland to view but this one looks nice and it says its a freshwater boat on KAD300's:

https://www.apolloduck.eu/boat/cranchi-37-smeraldo/578867

Edit: expect high hours at low speed, where this boat is located there are some lake areas to stretch her legs but not for long. I would expect she spends large amounts of time at disp. speeds - although looking at it there are ony 400 engine hours.
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I own same model boat.

Happy to view it for the OP if they PM me.
 
alt said:
I own same model boat.

Happy to view it for the OP if they PM me.
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There you go Russ! No one better to view a boat than a chap that owns one :)

Truck to Bangor, Northern Ireland.

Bangor to Peel, Isle of Man....45 miles

Peel to Whitehaven, Cumbria.... 45 miles

Truck from there to where ever!
 
Cranchi isn’t to my taste but that is a well equipped boat in reasonable order. As already said buying in Ireland is no biggie - brought a boat across from Co Antrim in one go to Whitehaven (no need to stop at the IOM if you don’t want to) and onward transport.The cost to transport all the way isn’t too bad - done that as well (both with work). Exchange rate is rubbish at the moment but even at current levels that looks to be reasonable value.

On the point about chasing that ‘good deal’ we have done that over the years but the market is different now so we probably paid a little too much for our current boat but we have been on the water for a year now :)
 
Greg2 said:
Cranchi isn’t to my taste but that is a well equipped boat in reasonable order. As already said buying in Ireland is no biggie - brought a boat across from Co Antrim in one go to Whitehaven (no need to stop at the IOM if you don’t want to) and onward transport.The cost to transport all the way isn’t too bad - done that as well (both with work). Exchange rate is rubbish at the moment but even at current levels that looks to be reasonable value.

On the point about chasing that ‘good deal’ we have done that over the years but the market is different now so we probably paid a little too much for our current boat but we have been on the water for a year now :)
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And why would you not want to stop at the IOM :D:D:D

To give an idea, transport for a 38ft boat from Essex to Whitehaven was £1800...with the truck returning empty. A back load type arrangement would be cheaper no doubt.
 
russ said:
Only 9 in the UK being advertised of which 5 are sold.
Two I have already looked at. Not interested in one with mercruiser diesels. Other in north Wales but haven’t the time to travel up there just yet.
Maybe a few will turn up after the boat show.
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Isn't a Mercruiser diesel the same base engine as the Cummins 4BT or 6BT, If so I would re-think discounting them.
 
superheat6k said:
Isn't a Mercruiser diesel the same base engine as the Cummins 4BT or 6BT, If so I would re-think discounting them.
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It's a VM diesel.
I understand on the plane they use more fuel than a Volvo.
But they can't be too bad if they are still in the boat.
Merc diesel engined sealines usually sell for less money which may suit Russ ?
 
I agree the purchase price is only part of the bigger picture.
I have probably spent as much again on other costs over a decade. For some people the running costs including marina fees must exceed boat purchase costs in a few years.
The odd few thousand for a good boat is not a lot these days.
Economies can be had by DIY servicing which I find enjoyable / good experience too.
I do think there has to be some compromise as a boat with no defects and full service history and reasonably up to date nav kit almost never exists .But if ut does exist it may well justify a high asking price.
 
russ said:
Looking at an S38 thats out of the water. Where about on the boats hull do I need to scrape back the AF and what to look for?
I believe its spray rails and chines but at which points? (will be getting full survey but worth a look now)

If the boats not ran for a few a week would water in the drive oil still be visible on the dipstick due to the oil not being pumped around the drives?
Need to check as they're being serviced before my survey.

Any other points worth checking whilst ashore?
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One thing to consider when you buy boats older than ard. year 2000 most hull layups are different from today so more boats have the risk of osmosis. When I bought my 2003 the surveyor first did the inspection of the boat itself and ran it to check the engines. After that we agreed to lift her out of the water for inspection of the hull and outdrives. After lifting you need to await the hull inspection a few days as osmosis blisters will show up only 5-10 days after lifting … and then dry out again. Therefore looking for osmosis blisters inspection must be done like one week after lifting.

About possible water in the drive.... If the drive rest for a day you can check for water at the BOTTOM SCREW. If the colour of the drive oil is milky you have a leaking seal. Do not check the oil from the top of the drive as oil will stay on top of water. The oil in the top of the drive can be nice while you have the milky colour in the bottom of the drive.
 
About Time said:
One thing to consider when you buy boats older than ard. year 2000 most hull layups are different from today so more boats have the risk of osmosis. When I bought my 2003 the surveyor first did the inspection of the boat itself and ran it to check the engines. After that we agreed to lift her out of the water for inspection of the hull and outdrives. After lifting you need to await the hull inspection a few days as osmosis blisters will show up only 5-10 days after lifting … and then dry out again. Therefore looking for osmosis blisters inspection must be done like one week after lifting.
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Not sure too many Surveyors are aware of this advice ! Boat out of the water in the slings for 30 minutes and out comes the moisture meter. And "oh look the hull is wet" - well what a surprise !
 
superheat6k said:
Not sure too many Surveyors are aware of this advice ! Boat out of the water in the slings for 30 minutes and out comes the moisture meter. And "oh look the hull is wet" - well what a surprise !
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Once again people are suggesting things to be done that don't happen in the real world. Is a seller or Broker really going to pull their boat out and leave it out 10 days for a possible buyer to inspect... I think in reality no
 
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